CONVERTING PDF TO MICROSOFT WORD IS A NIGHTMARE - Adobe Acrobat

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    Hi

    I have a PDF with a lot of complex mathematical formulas, and I need to convert the document to Microsoft Word, because I want to apply some cool format, retouch things, add some pictures and improve the document...

    So I try to export the document from PDF to Microsoft Word...

    And what I see is BAD EXPORTED DOCUMENT, with missing characters, fonts don't matching with the PDF original and finally an egyptian hieroglyphic

    Additionally, I LOSE ALL MY FORMULAS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Anyone knows how can I convert a PDF to DOC?

    But please, think this is a very complex PDF with a lot of complex mathematical formulas

    Thanks

    If there is no way to solve this... I'm wondering how academic people in mathematics could work with PDF documents in the university ????????????

  2. Default Re: CONVERTING PDF TO MICROSOFT WORD IS A NIGHTMARE

    They probably start with the original Word file instead of trying to reverse
    engineer it.

    --

    JoAnn Paules
    MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

    ~~~~~
    How to ask a question
    http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375




    <MrMister@adobeforums.com> wrote in message
    news:3bc311d8.-1@webcrossing.la2eafNXanI...
    > Hi
    >
    > I have a PDF with a lot of complex mathematical formulas, and I need to
    > convert the document to Microsoft Word, because I want to apply some cool
    > format, retouch things, add some pictures and improve the document...
    >
    > So I try to export the document from PDF to Microsoft Word...
    >
    > And what I see is BAD EXPORTED DOCUMENT, with missing characters, fonts
    > don't matching with the PDF original and finally an egyptian hieroglyphic
    >
    > Additionally, I LOSE ALL MY FORMULAS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >
    > Anyone knows how can I convert a PDF to DOC?
    >
    > But please, think this is a very complex PDF with a lot of complex
    > mathematical formulas
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > If there is no way to solve this... I'm wondering how academic people in
    > mathematics could work with PDF documents in the university ????????????




  3. Default Re: CONVERTING PDF TO MICROSOFT WORD IS A NIGHTMARE

    Q1: which version of Acrobat are you using to perform the conversion?

    Q2: which version of Word are you going to be using the converted document
    in?

    --
    Regards

    John Waller



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    Am Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:55:09 -0800 schrieb MrMister@adobeforums.com:

    > Anyone knows how can I convert a PDF to DOC?


    Forget it. Simple plain text may get converted somehow, complicated
    documents will always die.

    Regards
    Albert

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    Q3: How were the formulas produced? Word cannot display features it doesn't have.

    As stated so many times, any major editing to a PDF is best performed in the original document (the one from which the PDF was made). Specially true for highly complex PDFs with mathematical formulas not produced in Word.

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    Hi

    John

    Version of Adobe Acrobat 8.0

    Version of Microsoft Word 2007 (Office 2007)

    Claudio

    Formulas are produced with Type 1 fonts, from adobe. These fonts, are compliance with the AMS - American Mathematical Society.

    <http://www.ams.org/tex/type1-fonts.html>

    John and Claudio

    Here is an example of document I need to convert to Word.
    ---------------------------------------------------------

    <http://arxiv.org/pdf/math.PR/0606488>

    I'm working with documents from Cornell University. As you can see, formulas are in font mode, not graphics, etc. Fonts.

    I have downloaded all the emmbeded fonts in the PDF file, I have installed this fonts in Windows... but when converting the PDF to Doc, don't convert it well... so I lose the formulas

    This is a nightmare

    Anyone knows how to convert the document, maintaning the formulas?

    Please, don't tell me export to TIFF, or JPG cos I need to work with the document in Word, so I need text mode

    Thanks

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    > Here is an example of the kind documents I need to convert to Word.
    > <http://arxiv.org/pdf/math.PR/0606488>


    That's the "Before conversion" example.

    Can you post a typical "After conversion" example?

    > I have downloaded all the embeded fonts in the PDF file, I have installed
    > these fonts in Windows... but when converting the PDF to Doc, Acrobat
    > don't convert it well... so I lose the formulas


    Can you show us?

    --
    Regards

    John Waller



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    I would have to assume that the formulas are done with something like
    Microsoft Equation. Perhaps that's why they don't convert or convert well.

    --

    JoAnn Paules
    MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

    ~~~~~
    How to ask a question
    http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375




    <MrMister@adobeforums.com> wrote in message
    news:3bc311d8.2@webcrossing.la2eafNXanI...
    > Hi
    >
    > John
    >
    > Version of Adobe Acrobat 8.0
    >
    > Version of Microsoft Word 2007 (Office 2007)
    >
    > Claudio
    >
    > Formulas are produced with Type 1 fonts, from adobe. These fonts, are
    > compliance with the AMS - American Mathematical Society.
    >
    > <http://www.ams.org/tex/type1-fonts.html>
    >
    > John and Claudio
    >
    > Here is an example of document I need to convert to Word.
    > ---------------------------------------------------------
    >
    > <http://arxiv.org/pdf/math.PR/0606488>
    >
    > I'm working with documents from Cornell University. As you can see,
    > formulas are in font mode, not graphics, etc. Fonts.
    >
    > I have downloaded all the emmbeded fonts in the PDF file, I have installed
    > this fonts in Windows... but when converting the PDF to Doc, don't convert
    > it well... so I lose the formulas
    >
    > This is a nightmare
    >
    > Anyone knows how to convert the document, maintaning the formulas?
    >
    > Please, don't tell me export to TIFF, or JPG cos I need to work with the
    > document in Word, so I need text mode
    >
    > Thanks




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    WORD does not contain equations in it's native structure, but includes them as vector picture files obtained from a plugin. Your best process for conversion is to copy the equations as graphics, simply cut-and-pasting in the word document where you want the equation. This is not perfect, but the only other choice I know of is to retype each equation in the equation editor (I understand the new one from MS is pretty nice, though I will stick with my technical word processor).

    Keep in mind that a PDF was never developed as a portable format for pasting into other applications, but one in which almost any document from any package can be printed and displayed in a consistent manner, similar to a sheet of paper. Converting a paper copy of your document back to WORD would be just as difficult and you would probably never even consider it. Think of the PDF as a final form and you are better off.

    In cases like yours, it is often best to spend the time trying to find where you put the original document. If you deleted it, that was a big mistake.

    In any case, good luck on your conversion and look at it as less work (hopefully) than retyping the entire document.

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    Well, I cannot know by looking in what program were the formulas produced. If they weren't produced in Word, they'll never transfer to Word, regardless of the fonts used.

    Also, from my previous experience I would say that it is unlikely that you get them converted to Word even if they were produced in Word. PDF to Word conversion has never been easy or perfect in Acrobat, although I read here that it has improved much in version 8. And although the formula editor in Word used to be very good (I haven't used it in the last 3-4 years), I doubt developers would spend much time in the back conversion of formulas. This, because my guess is that the percentage of Word users who write complex formulas is very small indeed.

    A quick look at the example of the documents you are dealing with makes me think that the formulas in them were most probably produced in a more advanced program, such as LaText. In which case I doubt there is PDF to Word conversion program capable of keeping them.

    So I come back to what I said in my first post: the best way of introducing major changes in a PDF is to work in the original file, not converting the PDF to some other program.

    One final thought. The authors of scientific papers usually spend a lot of time in getting them formatted the way they like them to look, which is the way their colleages also like. I therefore fail to understand why you need to

    ... apply some cool format, retouch things, add some pictures and improve
    the document...




    or even why you think you are entitled to do so unless you already have the authors' consent. And even if there were sound reasons for introducing such changes, I also fail to understand why you think Word is the best tool for the job. Please forgieve me, but I very much doubt you can improve the present formatting of the formulas using Word. Unless your thoughts about the best formatting of formulas is completely different from the thoughts of this retired physicist, who has done some publishing in his life. I would advise to copy and paste them as images.

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