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    Adobe Type 1 Fonts for Pagemaker 6.5

    I am just learning to use Pagemaker 6.5 on W 98SE, custom built computer, HP LaserJet 2100 printer, half a gig of RAM.

    My problem is trying to understand about Adobe Type 1 fonts. I want to use Times New Roman and Arial fonts. Both of these Type 1 fonts come with Adobe Type Manager.

    If I want to buy these fonts, Adobe says the menu name for Times New Roman in Windows is TimesNewRomanPS and the file name MTR___. In Mac, the menu name is listed as Times New Roman PS MT.

    ATM lists this font in Windows with the name Times New Roman PS MT and the file name of _er__Pfm and _er__pfb.

    Basically I want to know if the Windows ATM Type 1 font is the genuine thing or one cobbled together. And why the different menu and file names. Further, if ATM, which is downloadable for free, has these fonts, why is Adobe selling them?

    Also, I read that the icon for the Adobe Type 1 fonts is a dog-eared paper with a small "a" in it. My icon is just the small "a."

    Thanks for any help at all.

    Carole

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    OK, let's get few things straight first.

    Arial (on Win98SE) is a Truetype Font
    Times New Roman (on Win98SE) is a Truetype Font

    They are supplied with Win98SE by Microsoft.
    They do not need Adobe Type Manager.

    If you bought Adobe Type Manager, then depending on the version and package you bought, you would have been supplied with some Type1 fonts.

    The free downable ATM is ATM Light which is not bundled with any fonts. A complete, tested and proved font/typeface is expensive, and can be purchased from Adobe and other sources.
    ATM Deluxe is not free, and includes a font manager.

    Win98SE requires ATM to be installed for Type1 support.
    Win2K and WinXP have inbuilt support for Type1 fonts following agreements bewteen Microsoft, Adobe and other font forges. ATM need be installed only if support for multiple master typefaces is needed.

    "TimesNewRomanPS" or "Times" is a Type1 Serif typeface and "Times New Roman" is the Truetype counterpart.
    "ArialMT", "GillSans" or "Hevletica" are Type1 Sans Serif typefaces with Arial being the Truetype counterpart.

    A Postscript Printer has these Type1 fonts in its ROM, though the software font is usually required for the document to display and print properly.

    For more info, read the FAQs:
    * 5. Font Issues <http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?13@@.ef85054>.

    More at the Adobe TechDoc:
    * Font Formats <http://store.adobe.com/type/topics/info9.html>.

    (I'm a bit rusty on some of the detail - it's a long time since I used Win98SE. And it's now an unsupported OS. No doubt I'll be corrected where my memory has faded.)

    Iechyd da! John
    20:23 19/09/2006 BST

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    So what's the bottom line here, John? I have TNR Type 1 fonts and Arial Type 1 fonts on my computer, but I did not purchase them. Are you saying these are not the same as the fonts available for purchase from Adobe?

    Thanks.

    Carole

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    > I have TNR Type 1 fonts and Arial Type 1 fonts





    What are their EXACT names? You can view them with ATM.

    As I said, they could have been bundled with your version of ATM.

    Iechyd da! John
    09:09 20/09/2006 BST

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    If you go back to my original message, you will see I said:

    "If I want to buy these fonts, Adobe says the menu name for Times New Roman in Windows is TimesNewRomanPS and the file name MTR___. In Mac, the menu name is listed as Times New Roman PS MT.

    ATM lists this font in Windows with the name Times New Roman PS MT and the file name of _er__Pfm and _er__pfb.

    Basically I want to know if the Windows ATM Type 1 font is the genuine thing or one cobbled together. And why the different menu and file names. Further, if ATM, which is downloadable for free, has these fonts, why is Adobe selling them?"

    Shouldn't I be able to find out if Adobe Type 1 fonts ALWAYS have to be purchased? Or if some of them are in the public domain? Isn't this a yes or no question?

    Thanks.

    Carole

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    Where are these two fonts located (in what directory)? They sound like
    fonts included with Adobe Reader/Acrobat Reader.

    Aandi Inston

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    >Shouldn't I be able to find out if Adobe Type 1 fonts ALWAYS have to be purchased? Or if some of them are in the public domain? Isn't this a yes or no question?

    There are some type 1 fonts in the public domain, and there are some
    copyright fonts that are free. There are also many font pirates.

    >why the different menu and file names


    PostScript font names can't include a space
    Display font names often do
    File names go back to the conventions before Windows 95 where the
    limit was 8 characters.

    Aandi Inston

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    > Basically I want to know if the Windows ATM Type 1 font is the genuine

    thing or one cobbled together.




    What make you think Adobe Type Manager is not genuine?
    ATM is essential on Win98 for using Type1 fonts.

    > And why the different menu and file names.





    Different from what? Type1 fonts are a different font format from Truetype, and have different names to distinguish them (and Type1 font names have no spaces in them as Aandi points out). It can be problematic where they have the same name, e.g. Symbol, and the OS does not have the facility to identify them apart.

    > Further, if ATM, which is downloadable for free, has these fonts, why

    is Adobe selling them?




    You need to ask Adobe that.

    ATM Light is only needed on old operating systems like Win9x as more recent OSs like Win2K and WinXP have in-built Type1 support.

    AFAIK there are no fonts bundled with the free download, and if there are, then they are old basic ones and probably don't have more than the essential 256 characters. I had a quick look in the Adobe Store, and couldn't see Type1 Arial nor Type1 TimeNewRomanPS for sale - they all seem to be Opentype these days.

    > Shouldn't I be able to find out if Adobe Type 1 fonts ALWAYS have to

    be purchased? Or if some of them are in the public domain? Isn't this
    a yes or no question?




    Maybe! Adobe have commercial and copyright interests, and even "free" fonts may have licensing restrictions.
    See: <http://www.adobe.com/uk/aboutadobe/antipiracy/fonts.html>

    Iechyd da! John
    12:12 20/09/2006 BST

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    Updates are often made to fonts. Adobe's TNR Type 1 is no exception. The filenames used to be variations on MT______.pfm/b. I still have copies of these files and they are copyrighted to 1991. Later versions used filenames based on _E______.pfm/b. These are copyrighted to 1999.

    > If I want to buy these fonts, Adobe says ... the file name is MTR___.


    I'm not sure where you get this from, but it appears to be out of date (not to mention that Adobe is pushing the OT versions these days).

    > Further, if ATM, which is downloadable for free, has these fonts, why is Adobe selling them?


    John answered this in post 1. Adobe Type Manager Deluxe (which is no longer available) came bundled with some fonts, possibly including these. But ATM Deluxe was never available for free download. ATM Light is a free download but has never come with bundled fonts. Many other Adobe apps come with bundled fonts (eg, Acrobat came with fonts like TNR and Arial MT, and the Creative Suite comes with a whole bunch). There is no contradiction in Adobe selling fonts which it also bundles with its apps. You may not have the apps that the fonts came with and do not want to buy those apps, you may want later versions of the fonts, or you may want extra licences for them.

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    > The filenames used to be variations on MT______.pfm/b. I still have

    copies of these files and they are copyrighted to 1991.




    You can see that in my screen capture at message #3 <http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?14@@.3bc1b1bf/2> above.

    IIRC I got that font bundled with ATM1.5(?) which was for Win3.1. I've still got the floppy disk somewhere.

    Iechyd da! John
    23:32 20/09/2006 BST

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