Re: Proper Names - Definition

Mmmm .... it seems to me that you are considering it right to compare
my spelling mistakes on the forum to a finished work of art because of
the number and severity of my mistakes.




Looks like I'll have to repeat myself yet again on this topic. Maybe you'll get it this time:
* I didn't raise the issue of your bad spelling initially. If you want to know what the original point was, reread the post, and if you still have any questions on it, address them to the author of that post.
* I never said there was a connection between spelling mistakes on this forum and the use of lowercase for proper nouns in a logo.
* I do find it incongruous that one who professes to be concerned about the flouting of one grammatical convention doesn't take more care with their own grammar, which makes me doubt your professed motive for complaining about the Olympics logo.
* I do think that any written matter that is full of spelling mistakes shows a lack of respect by the author for their audience, and I would find it hard to take seriously any comments that author might then make on English grammar (just as I would find it hard to take seriously someone who was trying to explain quadratric equations to me if they'd first told me that 1 + 1 = 11).

Well, you've got me stumped on this one Dominic.




Let's see if I can't clear this one up too, then (though I'm not hopeful):
* You wrote the phrase ""we are discussing art, not science" in post 61.
* In response to a question from you, I quoted the phrase in post 93 as an example of where I thought you were stating or implying that designing is art.
* In post 105, you repeated my response and then asked if I was "classing design in with science"? To me, this is a spectacular non sequitur and I have no idea why you would think I was classing design with science. Perhaps you think everything is either art or science. In any case, the answer to your question is "No". To sum up, I have certainly read your many references to "art" and "finished art" as references to designs and designing, and you didn't rule that out in post 92, where you wrote "Perhaps I did [state or imply that designing is art]".

How did my comment "we are discussing art, not science" state that I thought
designing is art?




Because we were discussing designers' use of lowercase in logos. If I misunderstood what you were referring to when you wrote "we are discussing", then please tell me what you were referring to as "art". Regardless, you have used the word "art" many times in your posts to describe commercial graphical works (eg, "In a finished piece of art it [spelling] could be AS important", "The same with visual art [in reference to Jan Tschichold]", "You are giving equal importance to the grammar in both mediums (forum and finished art)").

I don't think we should get side tracked again ...




But in post 61, you wrote "there is a limitation to bending the rules for art's sake, and *that* is what this thread is supposed to be about". So, isn't figuring out what you mean by "art" central to what you say the thread is "supposed to be about"?

Notwithstanding that, as I've said before, you should expect threads like this to wander. Otherwise, we're just left with a thread where Richard Archer-Jones says "I don't like the use of lowercase for proper nouns in logos", Heather says she agrees, and Herb, Thomas, and I say we don't agree. And that would be the end of the thread.

Can you see posts before 31?




Yes.

Yes, the impression it gives is that it's following fashion ...




The impression it gives to you may be that, but can you not understand that you are probably not their target market and it doesn't give that impression to others? I really don't see how you can call yourself a designer if you don't understand this concept.

Actually I feel sure I read somewhere that there is a time when lower
case is used for words like 'english' and I had a feeling it was when
referring to the language as opposed to the people ...




I'm floored! You spend all this time castigating designers for using lowercase when you have such a flawed understanding of correct capitalisation yourself. You can protest all you want, but I do believe that it is the cost of the Olympics logo, not the lowercase, that is your real motivation in criticising it.

And I'm still waiting for you to tell me what all those questions that I haven't answered are.