Access to a ridiculous computer? :-D

jacob navia wrote:
> Antoninus Twink wrote:
>
>> You know, it's the mindblowing, breathtaking, pisstaking hypocrisy
>> of this group that's the real killer.
>
.... snip ...
>
> Of course they do not see anything wrong.

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jacob navia wrote:
> Antoninus Twink wrote:
>> You know, it's the mindblowing, breathtaking, pisstaking hypocrisy of
>> this group that's the real killer.
>>
>> If someone outside The Clique posts something heretical - perhaps they
>> assume their C implementation uses a call stack - then it isn't long
>> before HeathField's attack dogs (usually the insufferable Falconer or
>> the tragic Default Luser, sometimes Psycho Mackintyre or Martin "send
>> the men in white coats to pick me up in an" Ambuhlance, sometimes others
>> too) respond with a barrage of "OT - not C - not portable - I hope your
>> mother dies in agony you worthless piece of crud" posts.
>
> Of course they do not see anything wrong.
>
> Talking about wiring is allowed TO THEM. If I speak about
> something like generic functions in C, or any "heresy" like
> that, OFF TOPIC is immediately sent to me...
>
> They started a thread about English poetry that lasted for a week.
> (Around October or September last year). When I protested
> they made a point in going ON and ON.

Jacob, you're smarter than this.

This subthread was started by me and Tomas. None of the members of "The
Clique" listed above have had anything to do with this subthread except
Mark McIntyre, who complained that it was offtopic.

There is no evidence in this subthread to support your argument of
hypocrisy. (There is also very little evidence to support your argument
of a "Clique".)

Phil

Philip Potter wrote, On 07/01/08 13:17:

<snip>

> This subthread was started by me and Tomas. None of the members of "The
> Clique" listed above have had anything to do with this subthread except
> Mark McIntyre, who complained that it was offtopic.


Also some of the "clique" deliberately took the conversation to email on
the basis that it was off topic. Eventually I would have complained
about it continuing here, but I was beaten to it.
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CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> writes:
[...]
> True. However do you realize that this, and many other of your
> posts, are multi-posted. The postings are something like 1 second
> apart (in this case).

Since rr.com is under a UDP, I'm posting through aioe.org.
Occasionally I accidenally post something through rr.com; when I
realize my mistake (usually *just* after I post the message), I post
again through aioe.org. A lot of sites, including aioe.org, aren't
seeing posts from rr.com (unless something has changed recently).

I'll try (a) not to post through rr.com and (b) if I forget, to
mention the problem in the aioe.org post.

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"Antoninus Twink" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:slrnfo2o0v.i07.nospam@nospam.invalid...
> On 6 Jan 2008 at 17:30, Al Balmer wrote:
>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 14:23:49 +0000, Philip Potter <pgp@doc.ic.ac.uk>
>> wrote:

> You know, it's the mindblowing, breathtaking, pisstaking hypocrisy of
> this group that's the real killer.
>
> If someone outside The Clique posts something heretical - perhaps they
> assume their C implementation uses a call stack - then it isn't long
> before HeathField's attack dogs (usually the insufferable Falconer or
> the tragic Default Luser, sometimes Psycho Mackintyre or Martin "send
> the men in white coats to pick me up in an" Ambuhlance, sometimes others
> too) respond with a barrage of "OT - not C - not portable - I hope your
> mother dies in agony you worthless piece of crud" posts.
>
> But here we have a huge subthread, started, developed and kept going by
> The Clique. Let's examine its subject. Oh, amateur electrics. (flicks
> through the precious C Standard) Nope, current, wiring, plugs, cables,
> none of them are their in N7342, or in N334124, or indeed in N2342141.
> So where are all the messages saying "Cabling is an implementation
> detail - take the discussion to a group for your platform"?
>
> The amazing thing is that I think The Clique really are completely
> unself-conscious about this - they just don't realize there's any
> hypocrisy in what they're doing.
>
Congratulations, you just graduated from c.l.c. They're language and OS
bigots. When they say take the discussion to a group that doesn't have a
religiously-small notion of C, they're telling you to fuck off. It's code
like southern "we'll pray for you."

Believe it or not, there are places on the net that discuss C a lot better
than here, where Chuck thinks he's management. As New England just voted
for McCain, he probably isn't even a jerk among his native tits.
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On 9 Jan, 08:29, "Reagan Revision" <inva...@invalid.net> wrote:

> Believe it or not, there are places on the net that discuss C a
> lot better than here [...]

where? even if it isn't "a lot better" it may be
interesting.


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On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 00:33:44 +0000 (UTC), roberson@ibd.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
(Walter Roberson) wrote:

> In article <Xns9A18EBF80CB1Etoelavabitcom@194.125.133.14>,
> Tomás Ó hÉilidhe <toe@lavabit.com> wrote:
>
> >Has anyone here got access to a ridiculous computer? Something like:
>
> > CHAR_BIT == 9
>
> Possibly you could use one of the emulators at simh.trailing-edge.com.
>
> "SIMH implements simulators for:
>
> * Data General Nova, Eclipse
> * Digital Equipment Corporation PDP-1, PDP-4, PDP-7, PDP-8, PDP-9, PDP-10, PDP-11, PDP-15, VAX
<snip>

PDP-10 in particular has 36-bit word, and although the (then) hardware
(now emulation) supports _any_ size byte, the obvious choice for C to
be >= 8 and pack (i.e. divide) into words is 9-bit. The heyday of real
-10s occurred before C was standardized, and I don't think there was
ever a confoming C then; as of about 2 years ago there was talk on
alt.sys.pdp10 of work on a gcc port (i.e. backend), but I didn't keep
track of whether it was completed. Even if so, to use it and otherwise
to develop and test your software on an emulated (or real!) -10, you
would need to learn (at least one of) the -10's OS(es), which at best
will take a good bit of your time.

-11 and VAX were mainstream byte machines. (VAX was the first
identified=major locus of unwarranted assumption of homogeneity --
"Not all the world's a VAX".) -1/4, -7/9, and especially -8/15 were so
small they would probably not support a useful C implementation. A
maxed-out 8-bank -8 could just barely fit the single 32KO object
required for nominal conformance to C89, but probably wouldn't be able
to run any program that would today be considered nontrivial and
useful. And that's assuming a crosscompiler; using an indigenous
compiler on one of these machines would be like beating yourself with
hammers just for fun.

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David Thompson <dave.thompson2@verizon.net> writes:

> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 00:33:44 +0000 (UTC), roberson@ibd.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca
> (Walter Roberson) wrote:
>
> > In article <Xns9A18EBF80CB1Etoelavabitcom@194.125.133.14>,
> > Tomás Ó hÉilidhe <toe@lavabit.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Has anyone here got access to a ridiculous computer? Something like:
> >
> > > CHAR_BIT == 9
> >
> > Possibly you could use one of the emulators at simh.trailing-edge.com.
> >
> > "SIMH implements simulators for:
> >
> > * Data General Nova, Eclipse
> > * Digital Equipment Corporation PDP-1, PDP-4, PDP-7, PDP-8, PDP-9, PDP-10, PDP-11, PDP-15, VAX
> <snip>
>
> PDP-10 in particular has 36-bit word, and although the (then) hardware
> (now emulation) supports _any_ size byte, the obvious choice for C to
> be >= 8 and pack (i.e. divide) into words is 9-bit. The heyday of real
> -10s occurred before C was standardized, and I don't think there was
> ever a confoming C then; as of about 2 years ago there was talk on
> alt.sys.pdp10 of work on a gcc port (i.e. backend), but I didn't keep
> track of whether it was completed. Even if so, to use it and otherwise
> to develop and test your software on an emulated (or real!) -10, you
> would need to learn (at least one of) the -10's OS(es), which at best
> will take a good bit of your time.

There is a distribution of TOPS-20 which is available including an emulator
for Linux at http://panda.com/tops-20/ (it isn't simh which is unable to
run TOPS-20 AFAIK). In this distribution, there is a C compiler (KCC)
which is more or less C90.

The gcc port I'm aware is a little older. It is available at
http://pdp10.nocrew.org/ along with the sources of KCC.

Yours,

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