In the North American, When is summer ...?

No, that was when they expected to release it when they named it

According to wikipedia it was released December 21st 1987. It was a long
summer that year.

"Geoff Schaller" <geoffx@softxwareobjectives.com.au> wrote in message
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>? wouldn't that have been Summer of 1987?
>
>
>
> "Mike Pitcher" <mike_no_spam_please_@pamuk.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:2cd1ba83-bae0-4e12-8f49-60fc4b49f9ef@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Does anyone remember when Clipper Summer '87 was released?
>

Tom,

I think there are more differences between Grafx and Apple or MS than there
are simularities.

But 'rough'? Isn't my comment not just realistic that Grafx ( and accourding
to you also other big software players in the software industry ) will most
likeley not deliver on time?

Erik



> > I think for the sake of the this announcement we can give or take an
> > approximate 3 week lee way. I don't think Luigi was really after a
> > definition.
>
> No, you were! <g>
>
> But you are a very optimistic guy if you know the history of Grafx,
> announcements and releasedates.
>
> Erik

Don't get to rough with Grafx. As with any major development, release
dates tend to be SWAGs (scientific wild-ass guesses). Microsoft being
much larger than Grafx has always been plagued with release dates.
Apple, however, tends to not release assumptions, so they remain "off
the radar" in most people's views. Then again, when do you ever hear
about major development projects for Apple products other than
graphics packages.

Tom Wood
(been away from to community for several years but glad to be back)

ROFL

....well then I guess I know where Brian get's his timing cue from.


(Mind you, since when did Wikipedia suddenly become gospel <g>. I am
also reasonably certain it was floating around heaps earlier than that
although whether these were beta or what I cannot remember.)



"Mike Jones" <michael.jones.nospam@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:g9uqbr$nbe$1@aioe.org:

> No, that was when they expected to release it when they named it
>
> According to wikipedia it was released December 21st 1987. It was a long
> summer that year.
>
> "Geoff Schaller" <geoffx@softxwareobjectives.com.au> wrote in message
> news:48c1d313$3@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>
> >? wouldn't that have been Summer of 1987?
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mike Pitcher" <mike_no_spam_please_@pamuk.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:2cd1ba83-bae0-4e12-8f49-60fc4b49f9ef@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
> >
>
> >> Does anyone remember when Clipper Summer '87 was released?
>
> >

Voodoo <g>

What are you claiming here? An astronomical approach? Nice but
irrelevant. The meteorologists define your summer as June, July and
August, not anything based on Celtic carnivals held at the solstices.

Ask any shop or kid and you'll get the practical answer <g>.

Spring for us started 6 days ago so we're marching quickly toward
summer. Maybe that means Brian has until 28 Feb 09???

<g>




"Al" <al@[nospam]byteitservices.co.uk> wrote in message
news:48c26c90$0$515$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk:

> "Geoff Schaller" <geoffx@softxwareobjectives.com.au> wrote in message
> news:48c1d312$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>
> > Typo! 1 Jun is the start of summer everywhere in the northern hemisphere
> > just as it is the start of winter on the southern side.
> >
> > So a 'summer' release has until 31 Aug to materialise.
> >
> > So it's late <g>
> >
> >
>
> 21st or 22nd official start dates for Summer. 21st would be the summer
> solstice and longest day, so you could argue 22nd is the first day of
> summer.
>
> Al

Hi Mike,
On Fri, 5 Sep 2008, at 09:38:47 [GMT -0700 (PDT)] (which was 18:38 where I live)
you wrote about: 'In the North American, When is summer ...?'

> Does anyone remember when Clipper Summer '87 was released?

Yes. December 1987.

--
Robert van der Hulst
AKA Mr. Data
Vo2Jet & Vo2Ado Support
VO & Vulcan.NET Development Team
www.heliks.nl

Hi

well I still have a copy .... just a 5$B!i(B floppy and a piece of a4 paper
that says does all that db3 does except ... and a one line description
of how ro compile.

anyway on dates ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equinox

and what is wrong with a celtic calender anyway - at least we have a
time mechanism still standing at the henge - and i guess it will see
vs die out !

richard

Geoff,
Cultural Difference, or what or what people think in one part of the world
is normal and/or obvious is not the same as what other people think/ feel
about it.
<snip wikipedia>
Today, the meteorological reckoning of the seasons is used in Australia,
Denmark and the former USSR; it is also used by many people in the United
Kingdom, where summer is thought of as extending from mid-May to mid-August.
In Ireland, summer begins on 1 May and ends 31 July, by the Irish calendar.
Meanwhile, the astronomical definition is more frequently used in the United
States.
</snip>

I just have been reading Brian's mind and found he ment sept. 21 as the end
of the summer.

Erik





"Geoff Schaller" <geoffx@softxwareobjectives.com.au> wrote in message
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> Voodoo <g>
>
> What are you claiming here? An astronomical approach? Nice but irrelevant.
> The meteorologists define your summer as June, July and August, not
> anything based on Celtic carnivals held at the solstices.
>
> Ask any shop or kid and you'll get the practical answer <g>.
>
> Spring for us started 6 days ago so we're marching quickly toward summer.
> Maybe that means Brian has until 28 Feb 09???
>
> <g>
>
>
>
>
> "Al" <al@[nospam]byteitservices.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:48c26c90$0$515$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk:
>
>> "Geoff Schaller" <geoffx@softxwareobjectives.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:48c1d312$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>>
>> > Typo! 1 Jun is the start of summer everywhere in the northern
>> > hemisphere
>> > just as it is the start of winter on the southern side.
>> >
>> > So a 'summer' release has until 31 Aug to materialise.
>> >
>> > So it's late <g>
>> >
>> >
>>
>> 21st or 22nd official start dates for Summer. 21st would be the summer
>> solstice and longest day, so you could argue 22nd is the first day of
>> summer.
>>
>> Al
>

As I do 50% VO / C#, I can agree that VS has nice things.....
I too have the feeling of relief when I must do VO....

--
Grtz, Marc


"Geoff Schaller" <geoffx@softxwareobjectives.com.au> schreef in bericht
news:48c1d313$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> No, you are right! The VO IDE is king from a productivity point of view
> and I suspect that will never change. I use both VS and VO daily and I
> never cease to feel that sense of relief going back to the simplicity of
> VO.
>
> However, what you cannot overlook with VS is its ubiquity: it is the same
> repo for server management, report design, code design, website design and
> Office add-in design. The intellisense is hugely valuable and the
> debugging experience something VO'ers can't even dream about. Its
> connectivity to help, its editors and searches, its installers, its
> security, its source control... gosh, it is simply generations ahead of
> VO.
>
> Whilst VO is and was an outstanding IDE for its time, it has now been left
> significantly behind in terms of functionality and that does become
> important as we move forward.
>
> Vulcanites in particular will be doing themselves a serious disservice if
> they do not embrace VS and learn it in detail and use it for their Vulcan
> apps.
>
> Geoff
>
>
>
> "Marc Verkade [Marti IT]" <marcatM@rtidotnl> wrote in message
> news:48bd9fd9$0$773$58c7af7e@news.kabelfoon.nl:
>
>> Ever use Visual Studio?
>> I love the VO IDE!
>>
>> --
>> Grtz, Marc
>>
>>
>> "D.J.W. van Kooten" <public@ic2remove.this.com> schreef in bericht
>> news:d3kob45i6g1fpevtlacp8ta6ju49b5h2t8@4ax.com...
>>
>> > On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:24:19 +0100, "Al"
>> > <al@[nospam]byteitservices.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello Al,
>> >
>>
>> >>I am not concerned for a release, at the moment, fingers crossed
>> >>everything
>> >>is as rock solid as I ever recall. My only issue is the IDE crashes and
>> >>Repo
>> >>corruption, however this is an installation issue not a CAVO problem
>> >
>>
>> > I take this is ment funny? Something like 'I have the best car in the
>> > world, only problem is that it usually doesn't start and it doesn't
>> > listen to the steering wheel, but that's a problem of the rOads, not
>> > the car....'<BG>
>> >
>> > The repo was a bad idea from the beginning and it would have been
>> > great when it were replaced by something more reliable. If it's as
>> > wrong on your system as you describe, it is 100% a cavo problem...
>> >
>> > Having said this, 2.8's repo is far more reliable compared to 2.7 and
>> > most issues are much easier solved. But they still exist.
>> >
>> > Dick van Kooten
>

<g>

"ER!k \/!sser" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:6iig2sFqqlj6U1@mid.individual.net:

> Geoff,
> Cultural Difference, or what or what people think in one part of the world
> is normal and/or obvious is not the same as what other people think/ feel
> about it.
> <snip wikipedia>
> Today, the meteorological reckoning of the seasons is used in Australia,
> Denmark and the former USSR; it is also used by many people in the United
> Kingdom, where summer is thought of as extending from mid-May to mid-August.
> In Ireland, summer begins on 1 May and ends 31 July, by the Irish calendar.
> Meanwhile, the astronomical definition is more frequently used in the United
> States.
> </snip>
>
> I just have been reading Brian's mind and found he ment sept. 21 as the end
> of the summer.
>
> Erik

"Geoff Schaller" <geoffx@softxwareobjectives.com.au> wrote in message
news:48c37de2$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> Voodoo <g>
>
> What are you claiming here? An astronomical approach? Nice but irrelevant.
> The meteorologists define your summer as June, July and August, not
> anything based on Celtic carnivals held at the solstices.
>
> Ask any shop or kid and you'll get the practical answer <g>.
>
> Spring for us started 6 days ago so we're marching quickly toward summer.
> Maybe that means Brian has until 28 Feb 09???
>
> <g>

Not claiming anything, just stating the facts as have they have existed for
many many years. It is very important we remember minutia such as this
otherwise it all adds to the erroding standards emminent in the UK youth.

It is depressing what they teach in Schools nowadays. Before they even start
school the children's Calendar printers conveniently align seasons with
start and end of calendar months. I am also sure historically having 3
terms, although we have 6 now, and each term being named after a season is
very confusing for them, Autumn, Winter and Summer. Autumn starts in Summer,
Winter in Autumn and Summer in spring. No wonder they leave school confused,
and have no idea that many of the calendar events we celebrate still today
originated in pagan festivals. Mind you some think that Wiki is a real
encyclopedia and a good point of reference, its very worrying!! Try reading
the entries on mothering Sunday as an example and you will get what I mean.

If we actually look meteorologically when we have a warm, period I guess the
last summer was actually October 2006 and lasted one day. My air con is
looking a wasted investment except when it is working as a heat pump of
course, and the swimming pool has sadly not been used once this year as yet,
but as I said we still have 12 days left.

Al