Respect?

Reading a recent thread here, the thought occurred to me that the OP on it
would be feeling sorry he ever posted.

A job opening in Colombia was notified, the Doc posted his normal response,
the OP responded politely and correctly, stating the amount that was being
offered, and the terms of the contract.

There then followed a series of posts which were scathing, scornful, and
unnecessary.

People actually live and work in Colombia. They go to school, they marry,
have children, and try to lead as normal a life as possible in an
environment that is "difficult" by our standards. They are not all drug
barons and criminals. Neither do they enjoy the thriving economy and
(relatively) stable Government enjoyed by the communities where many posters
to CLC live.

I know it's an unmoderated forum, but perhaps the following might get some
of you to think a little and exercise some consideration for the feelings of
others... I believe it is called "respect".

"There's a COBOL job going in Los Angeles. Pays $40.00 an hour and the
contract is probably extendable."

What?! Live with the Munchkins in La-La land for $40.00 an hour?! Have my
kids on drugs before they leave school, pay high rent to live in an
earthquake zone, and run the risk of a home invasion by some ethnic minority
for my trouble? Commute daily on a freeway that is going nowhere, gasping
for air in smog that is unbreatheable, all the while being used for target
practice by psychopaths in the surrounding hills....etc. etc

"There's a COBOL job going in New York. Pays $40.00 an hour and the contract
is probably extendable."

What? Relocate to one of the highest crime centres on the planet? Deal daily
with loud aggresive assholes who believe that whoever shouts the loudest is
the rightest? Get mugged going to and from work, or get shot by some trigger
happy nervous cop? For $40 bucks an hour? No wonder they're all on crack
cocaine... You'd need something to be able to live there... etc. etc.

"There's a COBOL job ging in <insert the city or community where YOU live
here>. Pays $40.00 an hour and the contract is probably extendable."

Write your own disrespectful comments.

Think about it.

Pete.
--
"I used to write COBOL...now I can do anything."

In article <6hua7oFnvt7vU1@mid.individual.net>,
Pete Dashwood <dashwood@removethis.enternet.co.nz> wrote:
>Reading a recent thread here, the thought occurred to me that the OP on it
>would be feeling sorry he ever posted.
>
>A job opening in Colombia was notified, the Doc posted his normal response,
>the OP responded politely and correctly, stating the amount that was being
>offered, and the terms of the contract.
>
>There then followed a series of posts which were scathing, scornful, and
>unnecessary.

Hmmmmm... sounds like UseNet, aye.

[snip]

>I know it's an unmoderated forum, but perhaps the following might get some
>of you to think a little and exercise some consideration for the feelings of
>others... I believe it is called "respect".

[snip]

>Think about it.

I believe we are using the words differently, Mr Dashwood. What I call
'respect' involves high esteem, regard, worth or excellence... things
which must be demonstrated or earned.

Further discussion of this might be of interest... or maybe not.

DD

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:25:10 +1200, "Pete Dashwood" <dashwood@removethis.enternet.co.nz>
wrote:

>People actually live and work in Colombia. They go to school, they marry,
>have children, and try to lead as normal a life as possible in an
>environment that is "difficult" by our standards. They are not all drug
>barons and criminals. Neither do they enjoy the thriving economy and
>(relatively) stable Government enjoyed by the communities where many posters
>to CLC live.

You're right. Kudos for chastising disrespectful posters.

>"There's a COBOL job going in New York. Pays $40.00 an hour and the contract
>is probably extendable."
>
>What? Relocate to one of the highest crime centres on the planet?

Of the 20 largest US cities, New York has the LOWEST crime rate.

>"There's a COBOL job ging in <insert the city or community where YOU live
>here>. Pays $40.00 an hour and the contract is probably extendable."
>
>Write your own disrespectful comments.

Sounds like an AS/400 job, with such a low rate. Is it ok to dump scorn on bad programmers
still living in the 1970s?

<docdwarf@panix.com> wrote in message news:g9ctis$6vk$1@reader1.panix.com...
> In article <6hua7oFnvt7vU1@mid.individual.net>,
> Pete Dashwood <dashwood@removethis.enternet.co.nz> wrote:
>>Reading a recent thread here, the thought occurred to me that the OP on it
>>would be feeling sorry he ever posted.
>>
>>A job opening in Colombia was notified, the Doc posted his normal
>>response,
>>the OP responded politely and correctly, stating the amount that was being
>>offered, and the terms of the contract.
>>
>>There then followed a series of posts which were scathing, scornful, and
>>unnecessary.
>
> Hmmmmm... sounds like UseNet, aye.

Yes... :-)
>
> [snip]
>
>>I know it's an unmoderated forum, but perhaps the following might get some
>>of you to think a little and exercise some consideration for the feelings
>>of
>>others... I believe it is called "respect".
>
> [snip]
>
>>Think about it.
>
> I believe we are using the words differently, Mr Dashwood. What I call
> 'respect' involves high esteem, regard, worth or excellence... things
> which must be demonstrated or earned.

Certainly. But that is not the ONLY meaning. You can respect someone's
wishes (whether you have high esteem, regard, consider their request worthy,
or excellent, or not...) for example.

> Further discussion of this might be of interest... or maybe not.

Not from me. Again, it is a case where I simply having more to say.

Pete.
--
"I used to write COBOL...now I can do anything."

"Robert" <no@e.mail> wrote in message
news:2f3kb413e8o79qm1cf601i8rvps1b901nq@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:25:10 +1200, "Pete Dashwood"
> <dashwood@removethis.enternet.co.nz>
> wrote:
>
>>People actually live and work in Colombia. They go to school, they marry,
>>have children, and try to lead as normal a life as possible in an
>>environment that is "difficult" by our standards. They are not all drug
>>barons and criminals. Neither do they enjoy the thriving economy and
>>(relatively) stable Government enjoyed by the communities where many
>>posters
>>to CLC live.
>
> You're right. Kudos for chastising disrespectful posters.
>
>>"There's a COBOL job going in New York. Pays $40.00 an hour and the
>>contract
>>is probably extendable."
>>
>>What? Relocate to one of the highest crime centres on the planet?
>
> Of the 20 largest US cities, New York has the LOWEST crime rate.

Sorry, I should have acknowledged that the crime rate in New York has indeed
fallen over the last few years.

Even so, given that the USA has the 24th highest per capita crime rate out
of the 245
nations generally recognised on the Earth, (you folks
are SO insular, sometimes...:-))...
that would put NY amongst the highest crime centres on the PLANET. Oh, I
said that already :-)

Robert, it was not my intention to denigrate the USA, New York, or any other
place. None of us live in "Paradise". New Zealand was 54th on the list,
which is much higher than I would like...and, yes, Colombia was number 1 on
the list.

The point is, that someone posting a COBOL vacancy doesn't need to have the
place where they live slagged off.

>
>>"There's a COBOL job ging in <insert the city or community where YOU live
>>here>. Pays $40.00 an hour and the contract is probably extendable."
>>
>>Write your own disrespectful comments.
>
> Sounds like an AS/400 job, with such a low rate. Is it ok to dump scorn on
> bad programmers
> still living in the 1970s?

If you think it is, there's probably little I could say that would change
your mind. :-)

Pete.
--
"I used to write COBOL...now I can do anything."

In article <6huoqkFnvv8dU1@mid.individual.net>,
Pete Dashwood <dashwood@removethis.enternet.co.nz> wrote:
>
>
><docdwarf@panix.com> wrote in message news:g9ctis$6vk$1@reader1.panix.com...
>> In article <6hua7oFnvt7vU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> Pete Dashwood <dashwood@removethis.enternet.co.nz> wrote:

[snip]

>>>There then followed a series of posts which were scathing, scornful, and
>>>unnecessary.
>>
>> Hmmmmm... sounds like UseNet, aye.
>
>Yes... :-)

As the Germans used to say, Mr Dashwood... 'quelle suprise'.

[snip]

>>>I know it's an unmoderated forum, but perhaps the following might get some
>>>of you to think a little and exercise some consideration for the feelings
>>>of others... I believe it is called "respect".
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>>Think about it.
>>
>> I believe we are using the words differently, Mr Dashwood. What I call
>> 'respect' involves high esteem, regard, worth or excellence... things
>> which must be demonstrated or earned.
>
>Certainly. But that is not the ONLY meaning.

Ye Gods and Little Fishies, Mr Dashwood... when I state '... we are using
the words differently... (w)hat I call...' is it not immediately apparent
to anyone with the Common Sense that's been granted to doorknobs that it
*is*, by verifiable scientific method and experiment, the ONLY (caps
original) meaning, interpretation and/or intent which might any chance of
existing in this or any other of All Possible Worlds?

Oh... and in case anyone wondered, I am still the King of England.

>> Further discussion of this might be of interest... or maybe not.
>
>Not from me. Again, it is a case where I simply having more to say.

How frequently of such pleasantness for to have been found!

DD

In article <2f3kb413e8o79qm1cf601i8rvps1b901nq@4ax.com>,
Robert <no@e.mail> wrote:

[snip]

>Is it ok to dump scorn on bad programmers
>still living in the 1970s?

It most certainly is not, Mr Wagner; look back and see how Mr Dashwood has
railed against those who show a lack of courtesy to Mr Dilworth.

DD