InstallAware: Is it going to stay? - Delphi

"David Erbas-White" <derbas@arachneering.com> wrote in message
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> Nick Hodges (Embarcadero) wrote:
>> Farshad wrote:
>>
>>> Will there be some serious improvements to the Installer in D2009?
>>
>> Yes, there will be.
>
>
> Any humorous ones???

An example for a humorous improvement might be; Installer will terminate
itself with a BSOD after 3 hours of installation and you'll start laughing
hysterically!

Farshad wrote:
> "David Erbas-White" <derbas@arachneering.com> wrote in message
> news:489145ef$1@newsgroups.borland.com...
>> Nick Hodges (Embarcadero) wrote:
>>> Farshad wrote:
>>>
>>>> Will there be some serious improvements to the Installer in D2009?
>>> Yes, there will be.
>>
>> Any humorous ones???
>
> An example for a humorous improvement might be; Installer will terminate
> itself with a BSOD after 3 hours of installation and you'll start laughing
> hysterically!
>
>


I think you're mistaken. I'll be crying.

The folks around me, however, will probably be laughing hysterically...

David Erbas-White

somebody wrote:

> <q>
> We do not waste our customer's money on expensive website designs, or
> other "luxury" marketing spending.
> </q>

With any luck they'll get to waste it on a bunch of lawyers instead.

With this attitude of total disrespect for others' IP, what do you
think the chances are of them incorporating dubiously 'borrowed' code
into their own products. And therefore, what chance of their customers
(that's us, as well as Codegear) unknowingly distributing installers
which infringe third-party copyright..?

- Roddy

Nick wrote:

> I think we are seeing full installs -- help and third party -- in about
> 45 minutes, with the large help install taking much of that.

> Delphi itself installs in about 10-15 minutes.


I suggest to create 2 setup files: MSI-based and InnoSetup-based.
Then you can count both downloads, and choose one for the future
Delphi 2010.

Kryvich escreveu:
> Nick wrote:
>
>> I think we are seeing full installs -- help and third party -- in about
>> 45 minutes, with the large help install taking much of that.
>
>> Delphi itself installs in about 10-15 minutes.
>
>
> I suggest to create 2 setup files: MSI-based and InnoSetup-based.
> Then you can count both downloads, and choose one for the future
> Delphi 2010.

Why does it have to be MSI-based?
I installed latest NetBeans version last week. It is not MSI-based.
Soo.......

Regards

Alexandre Machado wrote:
> Why does it have to be MSI-based?
> I installed latest NetBeans version last week. It is not MSI-based.
> Soo.......

In fact, two bad things in Delphi are MS-crappy technologies: Help
system and install system. It will take centuries to (not) convince me
that those are good choices. An Inno Setup (or other) based install
would be much much better. About the help system... well, google is
faster than this new windows help.
Why don't abandon that?

Regards

> Why don't abandon that?

They can't as long as they want .net help -- that is as long as they support .net MS only allows
the .net help to be distributed in that format. But it would be really nice to have an option to
use real help for win32 so at least the help that is there would not be buried in useless .net stuff.

In fact.. I can install Windows 2008 from SCRATCH factors faster than Delphi
versions using IA.

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"Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu" <chad-ng@hower.org> wrote in message
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> IA is extremely slow. It takes me forever to install Delphi on PC's.. and
> because of install testing, I do it a lot...
>
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> "Farshad" <farshad@ATfmsoftDOT.net> wrote in message
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>> Today I had to do a minor modification in my D2007 installation. I ran
>> the setup, chose Modify and asked it to removed IntraWeb from installed
>> components. No kidding, it took more than two hours and still waiting for
>> it to finish. I just asked it to remove a single component and I had to
>> interrupt working for more than two hours! A similar operation could be
>> done in a matter of minutes or even seconds in Delphi 7.
>>
>> Will there be some serious improvements to the Installer in D2009? The
>> current picture is far from being acceptable.
>>
>
>

"Roddy Pratt" <spam@spam.spam.spam> wrote in message
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> With any luck they'll get to waste it on a bunch of lawyers instead.
>
> With this attitude of total disrespect for others' IP, what do you
> think the chances are of them incorporating dubiously 'borrowed' code
> into their own products. And therefore, what chance of their customers
> (that's us, as well as Codegear) unknowingly distributing installers
> which infringe third-party copyright..?

Unless something has changed, IA is in Turkey. Turkey has IP provisions of
course, but they aren't as tight as European standards or as tight as US so
enforcement would be very difficult to say the least.

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