Pass <shhh! Don't tell anyone> - Eudora

This is a discussion on Pass <shhh! Don't tell anyone> - Eudora ; &quot;There has been an error passing your mail. I said: PASS &lt;Shhh! Don't tell anyone&gt;&quot; What gives with this &quot;Shhh!&quot; cr*p? If you don't tell anyone then nobody is any the wiser. So why post a message that's not supposed ...

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    "There has been an error passing your mail. I said: PASS <Shhh! Don't
    tell anyone>"

    What gives with this "Shhh!" cr*p? If you don't tell anyone then
    nobody is any the wiser. So why post a message that's not supposed to
    say anything? Well it certainly doesn't say anything meaningful to
    anyone who isn't a deeeeep geeeek, that's for sure. Why can't Eudora
    simply post a message explaining the problem, preferably in plain,
    old-fashioned English?

    David

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    David wrote:
    >
    > "There has been an error passing your mail. I said: PASS <Shhh! Don't
    > tell anyone>"
    >
    > What gives with this "Shhh!" cr*p? If you don't tell anyone then
    > nobody is any the wiser. So why post a message that's not supposed to
    > say anything? Well it certainly doesn't say anything meaningful to
    > anyone who isn't a deeeeep geeeek, that's for sure. Why can't Eudora
    > simply post a message explaining the problem, preferably in plain,
    > old-fashioned English?


    Apparently, you were born without the humor gene. <g>

    Notan

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    David <rhinds_no_spam_@cwnet.com> wrote:

    > "There has been an error passing your mail. I said: PASS <Shhh! Don't
    >tell anyone>"
    >
    >What gives with this "Shhh!" cr*p? If you don't tell anyone then
    >nobody is any the wiser. So why post a message that's not supposed to
    >say anything? Well it certainly doesn't say anything meaningful to
    >anyone who isn't a deeeeep geeeek, that's for sure. Why can't Eudora
    >simply post a message explaining the problem, preferably in plain,
    >old-fashioned English?
    >
    >David


    Nothing like your ISP tech support asking what did the error message
    say? :-)

    -mhd

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    On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:08:54 -0600, David wrote:

    > Why can't Eudora simply post a message explaining the problem,
    > preferably in plain, old-fashioned English?


    It's very plain in the context of what it's about,
    which you can learn from these links:
    http://www.yuki-onna.co.uk/email/pop.html
    http://eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1792hq.html
    (note that these actually work only for servers
    accepting plaintext logins).

    What it's saying is that in the login dialog between Eudora
    and the mail server, Eudora sent the PASS command
    (which transmits your password for logging into the server),
    and that the server then rejected the user-password combination
    (most servers accept the preceding USER command,
    regardless of whether the user name alone is valid,
    to make it harder to learn, without knowing passwords,
    whether any given user name is valid on that server).

    The only thing obscured is your private password
    (so that it isn't seen by anyone looking at your screen),
    which is done for your own benefit.

    The problem is that your username+password combination
    is not correct for that server. Passwords are case-sensitive
    on most servers, so that one common cause of login failure
    is simply that the CAPS LOCK key was inadvertently left engaged
    on the keyboard. Another common issue is that sometimes the
    login name is not the same as the leading portion of the email address
    (before "@"), often because the full email address may be only an "alias"
    (an address which forwards to a mailbox having a different login name).
    Or one may simply be trying the wrong server (ask the provider).

    -[ ]-

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    Thus spake "John H Meyers" <jhmeyers@nomail.invalid> :

    >On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:08:54 -0600, David wrote:
    >
    >> Why can't Eudora simply post a message explaining the problem,
    >> preferably in plain, old-fashioned English?

    >
    >It's very plain in the context of what it's about,
    >which you can learn from these links:
    >http://www.yuki-onna.co.uk/email/pop.html
    >http://eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1792hq.html
    >(note that these actually work only for servers
    >accepting plaintext logins).
    >
    >What it's saying is that in the login dialog between Eudora
    >and the mail server, Eudora sent the PASS command
    >(which transmits your password for logging into the server),
    >and that the server then rejected the user-password combination
    >(most servers accept the preceding USER command,
    >regardless of whether the user name alone is valid,
    >to make it harder to learn, without knowing passwords,
    >whether any given user name is valid on that server).
    >
    >The only thing obscured is your private password
    >(so that it isn't seen by anyone looking at your screen),
    >which is done for your own benefit.
    >
    >The problem is that your username+password combination
    >is not correct for that server. Passwords are case-sensitive
    >on most servers, so that one common cause of login failure
    >is simply that the CAPS LOCK key was inadvertently left engaged
    >on the keyboard. Another common issue is that sometimes the
    >login name is not the same as the leading portion of the email address
    >(before "@"), often because the full email address may be only an "alias"
    >(an address which forwards to a mailbox having a different login name).
    >Or one may simply be trying the wrong server (ask the provider).
    >
    >-[ ]-


    Sometimes I'll get the error after hours of running without a problem.
    Random personalities, random timing.
    --
    dillon

    Aim n Flame, the official lighter of Usenet

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    On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:46:57 -0600, Dillon Pyron wrote:

    > Sometimes I'll get the error after hours of running without a problem.
    > Random personalities, random timing.


    It might be due network congestion or server problems
    (timeouts may be increased in Options > Advanced network),
    or due to a POP session login attempt while another session
    is already in progress (this should be detectable via
    a different wording in the complete message).

    -[ ]-

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