2 versions of Eudora on same machine, hence problems I think - Eudora

On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 07:17:06 -0500, Big Bill wrote:

> Dunno quite how I managed this but... on the C drive I have a recent
> version of Eudora that won't fire up. It has all the mailboxes, however.
>
> On my D partition I have what looks like the same version (it's the
> last one, anyway) of E and it fires up and works fine, pretty much,
> except it has no mailboxes, it uses the mailboxes in the version on
> the C drive. This means that the backup restore someone recently gave
> me doesn't work. I know I should address this, what's the best way to
> combine the two versions, do we think? I think that somehere in there
> there's an option of what to use as the derault mailbox etc. location
> and I've obviously goofed up on this.

If one shortcut opens a folder containing no mail at all,
then there's nothing needing merging, just to make a
shortcut for starting Eudora which points to the data folder
actually containing all your mailboxes and options.

Instructions for making a Eudora shortcut
to use a given email folder:
http://eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1474hq.html
http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/tu..._multiple.html

Errata in above old tutorial:

The path to the executable file Eudora.exe
is nowadays more likely to be something like
"C:\Program Files\Qualcomm\Eudora\Eudora.exe"
(the path will need to be quoted, because it contains a space)

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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 13:03:34 -0500, "John H Meyers"
<jhmeyers@nomail.invalid> wrote:

>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 07:17:06 -0500, Big Bill wrote:
>
>> Dunno quite how I managed this but... on the C drive I have a recent
>> version of Eudora that won't fire up. It has all the mailboxes, however.
>>
>> On my D partition I have what looks like the same version (it's the
>> last one, anyway) of E and it fires up and works fine, pretty much,
>> except it has no mailboxes, it uses the mailboxes in the version on
>> the C drive. This means that the backup restore someone recently gave
>> me doesn't work. I know I should address this, what's the best way to
>> combine the two versions, do we think? I think that somehere in there
>> there's an option of what to use as the derault mailbox etc. location
>> and I've obviously goofed up on this.
>
>If one shortcut opens a folder containing no mail at all,
>then there's nothing needing merging, just to make a
>shortcut for starting Eudora which points to the data folder
>actually containing all your mailboxes and options.
>
>Instructions for making a Eudora shortcut
>to use a given email folder:
>http://eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1474hq.html
>http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/tu..._multiple.html
>
>Errata in above old tutorial:
>
>The path to the executable file Eudora.exe
>is nowadays more likely to be something like
>"C:\Program Files\Qualcomm\Eudora\Eudora.exe"
>(the path will need to be quoted, because it contains a space)

Many thanks. I seem to have got the two versions irretrievably
intertwined though. I may delete one and build up the other one.

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In article <g0l773dhliojvm60svjhbi2g3q587e2n2m@4ax.com>, bill@kruse.co.uk says...

> Dunno quite how I managed this but... on the C drive I have a recent
> version of E that won't fire up. It has all the mailboxes, however.
>
> On my D partition I have what looks like the same version (it's the
> last one, anyway) of E and it fires up and works fine, pretty much,
> except it has no mailboxes, it uses the mailboxes in the version on
> the C drive. This means that the backup restore someone recently gave
> me doesn't work. I know I should address this, what's the best way to
> combine the two versions, do we think? I think that somehere in there
> there's an option of what to use as the derault mailbox etc. location
> and I've obviously goofed up on this. How can I fix this please?

Assuming you do not have duplicates within the 2 machines?
If you do, you will have to sort the the mailbox and remove them
manually. There is no automatic process for removing duplicates
within a mailbox.

However since I last posted these instructions, There is a Utility here:
Delete Duplicates for Eudora
http://e-gadgets.freehostia.com/dde.htm

You *must* rename Mailboxes *within* Eudora, otherwise you are asking
for trouble. However, the Eudora core system mailboxes which consist
of IN, OUT, and TRASH cannot be renamed within eudora. Therefore, they
must be treated differently when trying to *merge* them with existing
IN, OUT and TRASH mailboxes on another machine. However, if you replace
the files in their entirety, you should not have this problem as long
you transfer them in *.mbx and *.toc pairs.

So, what you need to do is:
1. Open Eudora
2. Create a new empty mailbox called TEMPOUT
3. Select all the messages in your OUT mailbox (CTRL-A)
-OR-
Choose only the messages from the OUT mailbox *not* on your other PC
4. Hold down the Shift Key and transfer (COPY) them to TEMPOUT
This will put a copy of all your selected messages from the OUT mailbox
into the mailbox TEMPOUT
5. Put the Tempout.mbx and Tempout.toc file in the Eudora directory
of the machine you want to move them to *before* starting Eudora.
This will be the directory where the IN, OUT and TRASH mailboxes are.
6. Start Eudora on the machine you moved the files to and look for
the new mailbox called TEMPOUT.
7. Transfer the messages from TEMPOUT to the OUT mailbox as desired.
-OR-
Just file them accordingly from the TEMPOUT mailbox, whatever you need.

Repeat for the IN Mailbox and any others.
For mailboxes other than IN, Out and Trash, just make sure the names
of mailboxes are *different* between the 2 computers.

When you rename mailboxes outside of Eudora it still has the old
name embedded within the files and *may try* to rebuild with that name
therefore trashing your existing IN or OUT mailbox.

If Eudora rebuilds a mailbox with sent messages, the summary window
will look as if you sent all the messages to yourself. It is a good
idea only to have Eudora rebuild *.toc (Table of Contents) files as a
last resort. Always transfer mailbox files in pairs whenever possible
and always rename them to mailbox names within Eudora which are unique
when transferring them to other machines.
--
Over and Out
Daniel Jacobson

[re merging two mail folders]

The OP said that one folder was empty, but if not,
there is a way to import all mailboxes from another folder
without renaming anything:

o Each folder contains a Eudora.ini, In.mbx, In.toc, etc.

o In the folder to be kept as the "combined" folder,
use Windows Explorer to create a subfolder named "Other.fol"

o Copy all the mailboxes from the other folder
into the new, empty folder just created
(i.e. copy In.mbx with In.toc, Out.mbx with Out.toc, etc.)

When Eudora is next started, using a shortcut to the "combined"
mail folder, the mailbox list will include an "Other" mail folder,
within which are all the copied mailboxes from the original other folder,
thus clearly organizing which set of messages came from where.

If you want to merge the other "In" mailbox
into the combined "In" mailbox, just transfer the messages normally,
as you would between any two mailboxes, etc.

Any completely emptied mailboxes can be deleted
using the "Mailboxes" window.

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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:10:20 -0500, Big Bill wrote:

> On my D partition I have what looks like the same version
> (it's the last one, anyway) and it fires up and works fine,
> pretty much, except it has no mailboxes, it uses the mailboxes
> in the version on the C drive.

As to different versions of Eudora
(the program, rather than the saved mail):

Help > About Eudora

I have three different versions of Eudora
installed in different locations in my computer,
and they all peacefully co-exist, without interference.

As to different mailboxes, any version of Eudora
is ready to be told (by the shortcut which starts the program)
which main "data" folder (containing options file Eudora.ini
and all mailbox files, address book, attachments, etc.) to use.

The only significant annoyance that I know of
comes from inheriting an older style of installation
where the "data" (Eudora.ini and mailboxes)
was stored in the midst of the program files
(Eudora.exe, various DLLs, etc.),
and the only problem there is that it's
a better way of organizing things
(as well as nowadays demanded by the Windows OS)
to keep programs and data in separate places.

> This means that the backup restore someone recently gave me
> doesn't work.

Other programs scatter their vital data around,
sometimes even in the Windows "Registry,"
but Eudora makes backup rather simple -- since
everything it needs of user "data" is by default
all contained in the files within one single main
"data folder" (where Eudora.ini and In.toc etc. are found),
anything which backs up entire folders into one file
is all the "backup" one needs. Any "Zip" utility program
(like WinZip, or like what's been built into Windows XP)
is therefore sufficient to back up all user data for Eudora.

A copy of the original Eudora installer (to be able
to re-install the program on the same or another computer)
completes the picture of all the backup needed.

When the programs and data are mixed together,
as in much older original setups,
then one's "data" backup gets bloated
with unnecessary copies of the program files,
which is not harmful per se, but one should
take care not to restore any other version's program files
on top of current program files, if restoring old data
that was mixed with old program files too -- it's better overall
to segregate programs from data, so that each can be independently
restored or installed, as well as to better protect program files
from being infected by viruses and the like.

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On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 01:40:50 -0000, daniel12@iadfw.net (Daniel
Jacobson) wrote:

>In article <g0l773dhliojvm60svjhbi2g3q587e2n2m@4ax.com>, bill@kruse.co.uk says...
>
>> Dunno quite how I managed this but... on the C drive I have a recent
>> version of E that won't fire up. It has all the mailboxes, however.
>>
>> On my D partition I have what looks like the same version (it's the
>> last one, anyway) of E and it fires up and works fine, pretty much,
>> except it has no mailboxes, it uses the mailboxes in the version on
>> the C drive. This means that the backup restore someone recently gave
>> me doesn't work. I know I should address this, what's the best way to
>> combine the two versions, do we think? I think that somehere in there
>> there's an option of what to use as the derault mailbox etc. location
>> and I've obviously goofed up on this. How can I fix this please?
>
> Assuming you do not have duplicates within the 2 machines?

They're on the same machine but on different partitions. Does this
make a difference to your suggestions here plese, apart from paths
etc.?

> If you do, you will have to sort the the mailbox and remove them
> manually. There is no automatic process for removing duplicates
> within a mailbox.
>
> However since I last posted these instructions, There is a Utility here:
> Delete Duplicates for Eudora
> http://e-gadgets.freehostia.com/dde.htm
>
> You *must* rename Mailboxes *within* Eudora, otherwise you are asking
> for trouble. However, the Eudora core system mailboxes which consist
> of IN, OUT, and TRASH cannot be renamed within eudora. Therefore, they
> must be treated differently when trying to *merge* them with existing
> IN, OUT and TRASH mailboxes on another machine. However, if you replace
> the files in their entirety, you should not have this problem as long
> you transfer them in *.mbx and *.toc pairs.
>
> So, what you need to do is:
> 1. Open Eudora
> 2. Create a new empty mailbox called TEMPOUT
> 3. Select all the messages in your OUT mailbox (CTRL-A)
> -OR-
> Choose only the messages from the OUT mailbox *not* on your other PC
> 4. Hold down the Shift Key and transfer (COPY) them to TEMPOUT
> This will put a copy of all your selected messages from the OUT mailbox
> into the mailbox TEMPOUT
> 5. Put the Tempout.mbx and Tempout.toc file in the Eudora directory
> of the machine you want to move them to *before* starting Eudora.
> This will be the directory where the IN, OUT and TRASH mailboxes are.
> 6. Start Eudora on the machine you moved the files to and look for
> the new mailbox called TEMPOUT.
> 7. Transfer the messages from TEMPOUT to the OUT mailbox as desired.
> -OR-
> Just file them accordingly from the TEMPOUT mailbox, whatever you need.
>
> Repeat for the IN Mailbox and any others.
> For mailboxes other than IN, Out and Trash, just make sure the names
> of mailboxes are *different* between the 2 computers.
>
> When you rename mailboxes outside of Eudora it still has the old
> name embedded within the files and *may try* to rebuild with that name
> therefore trashing your existing IN or OUT mailbox.
>
> If Eudora rebuilds a mailbox with sent messages, the summary window
> will look as if you sent all the messages to yourself. It is a good
> idea only to have Eudora rebuild *.toc (Table of Contents) files as a
> last resort. Always transfer mailbox files in pairs whenever possible
> and always rename them to mailbox names within Eudora which are unique
> when transferring them to other machines.
> --
> Over and Out
> Daniel Jacobson

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On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 02:31:51 -0500, "John H Meyers"
<jhmeyers@nomail.invalid> wrote:

>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:10:20 -0500, Big Bill wrote:
>
>> On my D partition I have what looks like the same version
>> (it's the last one, anyway) and it fires up and works fine,
>> pretty much, except it has no mailboxes, it uses the mailboxes
>> in the version on the C drive.
>
>As to different versions of Eudora
>(the program, rather than the saved mail):
>
>Help > About Eudora
>
>I have three different versions of Eudora
>installed in different locations in my computer,
>and they all peacefully co-exist, without interference.
>
>As to different mailboxes, any version of Eudora
>is ready to be told (by the shortcut which starts the program)
>which main "data" folder (containing options file Eudora.ini
>and all mailbox files, address book, attachments, etc.) to use.
>
>The only significant annoyance that I know of
>comes from inheriting an older style of installation
>where the "data" (Eudora.ini and mailboxes)
>was stored in the midst of the program files
>(Eudora.exe, various DLLs, etc.),

Yup, that's what I have on the C drive.


>and the only problem there is that it's
>a better way of organizing things
>(as well as nowadays demanded by the Windows OS)
>to keep programs and data in separate places.
>
>> This means that the backup restore someone recently gave me
>> doesn't work.
>
>Other programs scatter their vital data around,
>sometimes even in the Windows "Registry,"
>but Eudora makes backup rather simple -- since
>everything it needs of user "data" is by default
>all contained in the files within one single main
>"data folder" (where Eudora.ini and In.toc etc. are found),
>anything which backs up entire folders into one file
>is all the "backup" one needs. Any "Zip" utility program
>(like WinZip, or like what's been built into Windows XP)
>is therefore sufficient to back up all user data for Eudora.
>
>A copy of the original Eudora installer (to be able
>to re-install the program on the same or another computer)
>completes the picture of all the backup needed.
>
>When the programs and data are mixed together,
>as in much older original setups,
>then one's "data" backup gets bloated
>with unnecessary copies of the program files,
>which is not harmful per se, but one should
>take care not to restore any other version's program files
>on top of current program files, if restoring old data
>that was mixed with old program files too -- it's better overall
>to segregate programs from data, so that each can be independently
>restored or installed, as well as to better protect program files
> from being infected by viruses and the like.

BB
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On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 18:49:02 GMT, Big Bill <bill@kruse.co.uk> wrote:


OK guys, if we can absorb this latest please... I've deleted my backup
files from everywhere I can think of so I have just the two versions
of Eudora on all my drives. One's on C, the other's on D. There's only
one mbx called Out if I do a machine-wide search, and it's in the C
Eudora. That's the old Eudora, if you will, while the one that fires
up is the D drive Eudora. The obvious assumption is that the D Eudora
is storing its mbx's in the C Eudora directory. Only it isn't. A
machine-wide search and viewing through Wiindows Explorer show me an
Out.mbx in there C Eudora directory, but nowhere else. Opening the D
Eudora reveals another Out.mbx, one that seems invisible to the search
facility and to Windows Explorer. It has recent files in it too, files
that aren't in the Out.mbx on the C drive. Weird, huh? I have a
feeling that all the mbx's of the D Eudora exist only in some
temporary creation of the software and are therefore vulnerable and
get damaged now and then. While you guys can theorise some more as to
the best thing to do, I'm going to take both your advices and make an
olderout.mbx and transfer a lot of the files from the D Eudora Out.mbx
to it, as it's huge at the moment, hundreds of files. I lost loads the
other day. Let's see if that helps to stabilise things.
Kinda fun, this, huh :-) ? I'm glad you guys are helping, I'd be lost.

BB
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In article <690b73hvjdesl16pkn0t9r62m86hvuospp@4ax.com>, bill@kruse.co.uk says...

Re: Duplicate messages in multiple instances of Eudora

>> Assuming you do not have duplicates within the 2 machines?

> They're on the same machine but on different partitions. Does this
> make a difference to your suggestions here plese, apart from paths
> etc.?

>> However since I last posted these instructions, There is a Utility here:
>> Delete Duplicates for Eudora
>> http://e-gadgets.freehostia.com/dde.htm

You will need to get all the messages into one mailbox for the
Utility to work. In other words, all messages must be in one mailbox
in one instance of Eudora. The Utility should work on an individual
mailbox within Eudora. You can transfer them in using the previous
instructions.
--
Over and Out
Daniel Jacobson