A challenge to all MVP's.......GET A J.O.B. for once in your life - Framework and Interface Programming

I have been working in the computer industry for over 30 years--I probably
got started before you were born. I have built countless applications for
companies large and small--some of which are probably still in use today. I
spent 14 of those years at Microsoft learning and documenting, teaching and
marketing, educating and mentoring those who would listen and want to learn.
In my "spare" time (time stolen from my family life) I wrote 11 books on
Microsoft technology. Some of these books have been translated to 6
languages and are read all over the world. I "retired" from Microsoft 5
years ago but I still have a job. I spend my time helping others where, when
and however I can. I spend at least an hour a day and more time when I'm
waiting for a compile or an install here on these lists and writing my blog.
I spend the bulk of my time working with the latest builds of the latest
development tools trying to make them better and trying to write articles,
conference sessions and books on how these new technologies work. Thanks to
my MVP status, I'm privledged to work very closely with the develoment teams
at Microsoft and other companies in an effort to make your development
process easier. I would do that even if I wasn't an MVP.

What is it that you do to contribute? I suspect that your mommy needs to
restrict the time you spend on the internet and make sure you're taking your
medication. Your childish rantings here are clearly an indication that you
need to get professional help. As it is, you're just making a fool of
yourself.

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>

No, they didn't get me started and they sure as heck aren't going to get me
fired, cuz I sell what I make. I don't read anyone's "blog", but at least
some of the MVPs I see in the forums are published -- off the top of my
head, Bill Vaughn and Hilary Cotter come to mind as having written some
pretty weighty tomes.

Anyway, congrats for trolling so adeptly :=)

"lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message
news:%23r5XCLSaFHA.3120@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> They may have got you started, but they will also get you FIRED, just like
> they were and are without a J.O.B.
>
> If these MVP's are SOOOO GOOD, how can they be here day after day, week
> after week, year after year, YET have nothing, zippo written for
> themselves
> to show for it. Look at their websites, blogs at best! whew lots of coding
> their. No it's posting, i.e. J.O.B. trolling cause they can't keep the
> J.O.B. they had.
>
> How come these people, WHO ARE SO WELL KNOWN can't get a J.O.B. but those
> guys who created FIREFOX can get a J.O.B. just like that and are ACTUALLY
> TOO BUSY to be on their BLOGS all day LONG as they have REAL WORK TO DO?
>
> It's cause those FIREFOX guys actually created something that people use,
> unlike MVP's who YEAR AFTER YEAR can't write a real program that people
> want
> and actually use but spend day in and day out here posting away.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Earl" <brikshoe@newsgroups.nospam> wrote in message
> news:uXIM7cRaFHA.3488@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Frankly, I've often received better and more comprehensive advice from
>> the
>> MVPs than I've gotten from Microsoft on most occasions. Creating a
> solution
>> takes a lot more experience and knowledge than just "coding in .Net". I'm
>> not sure what your beef is with the MVPs, but I think we would all be a
> lot
>> poorer without their insight and advice.
>>
>>
>>
>> "lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> > You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most
>> > incompetent
>> > programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
>> >
>> > The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been
> proven
>> > wrong in the real world
>> > You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
>> > questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
>> > possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all
> you
>> > do
>> > is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
>> >
>> > As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all
> that
>> > it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never
>> > DO
>> > as
>> > they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to
> begin
>> > with.
>> >
>> >
>> > DEAR MICROSOFT:
>> > Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for
> publicity
>> > in
>> > trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do
>> > the
>> > job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look
>> > bad
>> > as
>> > a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in
> they
>> > in
>> > fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they
>> > actually
>> > do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
>> > architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
>> > begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
>> > actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
>> >
>> > All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT
>> > GET
> A
>> > JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no
> wonder
>> > companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why
>> > pay
>> > extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the
>> > customer
>> > wanted anyway.
>> >
>> >
>> > MESSAGE TO MVP's:
>> > WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the
> world
>> > knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a
> hard
>> > time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till
>> > they
>> > know the real truth about you and will think twice about even
>> > mentioning
>> > you
>> > have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
>> > groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed,
>> > can't
>> > get the job done right.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

This one message beats 'em all !!! Thank you Roy !!!

BTW that Lwti dude - if he ever has the balls to come forth with his real
name, I'd love to have a sane argument with him - but folks who are to
chickensh*t to fire from behind a busy, are not worth my time.

- Sahil Malik [MVP]
http://codebetter.com/blogs/sahil.malik/


"Roy" <roy.anderson> wrote in message
news:1117903571.631274.316760@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Thanks for all your help MVP's, it's appreciated!
>
> -Roy
>

wow, this guy has issues...

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney - ASP.NET MVP

[Shameless Author Plug]
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"lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message
news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most
> incompetent
> programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
>
> The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
> wrong in the real world
> You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
> questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
> possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you
> do
> is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
>
> As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
> it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO
> as
> they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
> with.
>
>
> DEAR MICROSOFT:
> Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity
> in
> trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do
> the
> job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad
> as
> a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they
> in
> fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they
> actually
> do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
> architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
> begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
> actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
>
> All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
> JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
> companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why
> pay
> extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the
> customer
> wanted anyway.
>
>
> MESSAGE TO MVP's:
> WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
> knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
> time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till
> they
> know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning
> you
> have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
> groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed,
> can't
> get the job done right.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

No he's right Kevin.

Too many MVPs are full of sh!t and little more than pimps playing on the
neophytes with the same lame and often misleading or false comments passing
for 'help' again and again and again. There are many motives why this would
occur. Some malevolent and others not. This is really evident in the
FrontPage newsgroups where I am astounded at the lies of ommission and
manipulation that occurs.

I can understand how human behavior can explain this phenomena and it often
frustrates me to no end but I'm simply tired of getting into it any more as
most of the time somebody will post to show the MVP is a pimp but the OP
never or rarely comes back to even thank anybody or remain involved in the
what can then evolve into a conflict. Even when the MVP is right on the
money the OP is nowhere to be seen. Still, the OP of this topic has a valid
point.

There are MVPs that I know for a fact are liars and cheats and others I
could not do without and bless the ground they walk on. This can be a real
paradox.

I've got something up my sleeve though so you better watch your step dude
:-)


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"Kevin Spencer" <kevin@DIESPAMMERSDIEtakempis.com> wrote in message
news:uUyG9nPaFHA.2496@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Dude, you've got some serious issues. I suggest long-term therapy.
>
> Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -
> Phillip K. Dick
>
> --
> HTH,
>
> Kevin Spencer
> Microsoft MVP
> .Net Developer
> Ambiguity has a certain quality to it.
>
> "lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most
>> incompetent
>> programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
>>
>> The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
>> wrong in the real world
>> You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
>> questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
>> possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you
>> do
>> is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
>>
>> As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all
>> that
>> it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO
>> as
>> they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
>> with.
>>
>>
>> DEAR MICROSOFT:
>> Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity
>> in
>> trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do
>> the
>> job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad
>> as
>> a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they
>> in
>> fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they
>> actually
>> do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
>> architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
>> begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
>> actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
>>
>> All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET
>> A
>> JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
>> companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why
>> pay
>> extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the
>> customer
>> wanted anyway.
>>
>>
>> MESSAGE TO MVP's:
>> WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
>> knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
>> time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till
>> they
>> know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning
>> you
>> have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
>> groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed,
>> can't
>> get the job done right.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

"lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message
news:%23r5XCLSaFHA.3120@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> They may have got you started, but they will also get you FIRED, just like
> they were and are without a J.O.B.
>
> If these MVP's are SOOOO GOOD, how can they be here day after day, week
> after week, year after year, YET have nothing, zippo written for
> themselves
> to show for it. Look at their websites, blogs at best! whew lots of coding
> their. No it's posting, i.e. J.O.B. trolling cause they can't keep the
> J.O.B. they had.
>
> How come these people, WHO ARE SO WELL KNOWN can't get a J.O.B. but those
> guys who created FIREFOX can get a J.O.B. just like that and are ACTUALLY
> TOO BUSY to be on their BLOGS all day LONG as they have REAL WORK TO DO?

So where are your websites? What have you developed? What do you do with all
your time besides trolling on newsgroups?


Guys, stop feeding the troll...

Thank you, you proved my point for me. You , yourself have no J.O.B. and you are some kid who wishes he could write software
(and cannot because he spends all his time spamming newsgroups) and is still crying because , under another name, he asked a
question and no MVP answered it for him, because he was too stupid to figure out how to look it up for himself. So, instead of
rewording his question or taking the time to state that he did try to find an answer, he instead, goes off on a temper tantrum
like some spoiled 12 year old, and attacks others who have forgotten more than he will ever know about programming. Truely sad.
Try and seek some counseling...............you need it. (maybe your mom will read this and finally take your computer privilges
away)
james

Oh, and by the way.........WELCOME TO MY KILLFILE !!!!!!!!!!!!


"lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message news:eo7FGBSaFHA.3280@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> are MVP's trolls? they WANT, NEED ATTENTION to get the J.O.B. that they
> can't KEEP or GET. THUS, THEY KEEP POSTING, POSTING, POSTING AWAY...
>
> M.V.P = GIVE-ME-A-JOB-as-I-THINK-IKNOW-A-LOT-BUT-ACTUALLY-CAN'T DO IT-TROLL
>
>
>
>
> "james" <jjames700ReMoVeMe at earthlink dot net> wrote in message
> news:e172bnRaFHA.616@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> Known Troll who keeps posting his nonsense all over under different names.
> In fact he is such a coward he
>> cannot even post under his own name. Truely sad and a waste of bandwidth.
>>
>> james
>>
>> "lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> > You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most
> incompetent
>> > programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
>> >
>> > The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been
> proven
>> > wrong in the real world
>> > You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
>> > questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
>> > possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all
> you do
>> > is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
>> >
>> > As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all
> that
>> > it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO
> as
>> > they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to
> begin
>> > with.
>> >
>> >
>> > DEAR MICROSOFT:
>> > Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for
> publicity in
>> > trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do
> the
>> > job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad
> as
>> > a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in
> they in
>> > fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they
> actually
>> > do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
>> > architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
>> > begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
>> > actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
>> >
>> > All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET
> A
>> > JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no
> wonder
>> > companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why
> pay
>> > extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the
> customer
>> > wanted anyway.
>> >
>> >
>> > MESSAGE TO MVP's:
>> > WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the
> world
>> > knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a
> hard
>> > time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till
> they
>> > know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning
> you
>> > have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
>> > groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed,
> can't
>> > get the job done right.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Inline:
(means read my comments inbetween your inane rants)

"lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message news:OTgFGYSaFHA.1456@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Just how good are these MVP's who are so well known in the community when
> they can't even keep their JOB but spend all day here?


You still haven't proven even once that the MVP's (or anyone else here besides yourself) do not have a job.



> Last time I checked, most if not all software projects are late, including
> those at Microsoft.

YOU CHECKED software projects??? So, you are waiting for what,,,,,,,,,,DOOM 4 1/2 ? And it's late
Truely, a stupid and uninformed statement on your part.


> Do you see those programmers, lead developers, CIO, CTO, or for that matter
> even non-technical people here day in and day out when they actually have to
> get something out the door?
> NO, REPEAT, NO YOU DON'T

You have no clue who posts here or what they do for a living. Provide some names and PROOF or STFU!
(your silly nonsense posts are not considered proof of anything other than your inability to make sense)


>
> And if these MVPs are not actually doing something or ever have done that
> something how can these MVPs actually tell you what to do when they haven't
> done it themselves? Is that the advice you want?

Again, on what do you base your statements concerning MVP's and what they do or don't do??
Just your crybaby experiences don't count. Because it is obvious that you do not have enough intelligence
to understand what takes place in these newsgroups and the amount of help given here each and every day.
I hope you do finally get some good counseling as you are in serious denial of the truth of your situation.
You are clearly suffering from H.I.A. Syndrome. ( head in ass) Please seek help immediately and get back on your meds as soon as
possible before you wander too far from the instution and get ran over by a slow moving truck. And tell your keeper, it's time
for you to go back to your room (padded).
Have a nice day !!!
james

Karl - is this you?
--
W.G. Ryan MVP (Windows Embedded)

TiBA Solutions
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"lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message
news:#MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most
incompetent
> programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
>
> The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
> wrong in the real world
> You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
> questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
> possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you
do
> is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
>
> As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
> it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO
as
> they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
> with.
>
>
> DEAR MICROSOFT:
> Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity
in
> trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do
the
> job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad
as
> a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they
in
> fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they
actually
> do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
> architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
> begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
> actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
>
> All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
> JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
> companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why
pay
> extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the
customer
> wanted anyway.
>
>
> MESSAGE TO MVP's:
> WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
> knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
> time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till
they
> know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning
you
> have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
> groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed,
can't
> get the job done right.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>