.Net 1.1 versus .Net 2.0

"Susie DBA [MSFT]" <susiedba@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> and I really really don't believe this number
>
> * MSFT estimates that about 500M PCs worldwide have some version of
> the
> .Net Framework installed.
>
>
> I mean WOW
>
> does Microsoft really think that there are 2 billion PCs worldwide?
>
> I know I've got 20+ but still

I suppose you have statistics to back up your argument?

It's like you're ranting, carrying on, arguing and I can't even really tell
what you are trying to say. It's like your angry and no one knows why. . .
Are you a troll?

I mean - I imagine Microsoft didn't just pull that number out of thin air.

And where is 2 billion PCs coming from? Did MS say 1/4 of computers have
..NET - or is this another figure that you are making up.

If every man woman and child in a developed country had 1 one computer with
..NET on it that would be WAY over the 500 M mark. I, personally, have 2
computers in my house, 2 computers at work which are "mine" and all have
..NET on them. (I didn't count my Linux server or embedded machine) I would
say the estimate seems about right.

Actually, using my "Susie DBA [MSFT]" method of inventing numbers, I think
MS is short by about 125,153 - but this is still excellent precision - and
they probably had a rounding error or the data was aged by a few days.

But you didn't say what you thought the number was

21 - 20 of your computers and 1 somewhere else?
499 Million?

At no point did you even say whether you thought the estimate was high or
low.

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LTP

"Susie DBA [MSFT]" <susiedba@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> it's not called random characters
>
> you see.. I spend all day typing shit in sharepoint; and since
> sharepoint doesn't support HTML (who the hell came up with that idea)
> i've got to use underscores and capitals for emphasis

Ugh. I didn't say "random characters" I said "it seems to interject random
capitals and periods"

The text in question was "FuK .NOT"

Is this _EMPHASIS_? I might have given you a little credit if you said you
were trying to hint at/imply "fuck .NET"

I've used all capitals, astericks (although not underscores maybe dashes)
for emphasis, but not tried partial word capitalization or deliberate
mispelling of profanity. I assume this is at work that you have to use
these methods to get through to people? (I can't imagine any other
environment which would force a person to use sharepoint.)

And seriously - it was a joke. I never actually thought anything was wrong
with your keyboard. You have now dedicated an entire post and my reply (an
official thread fork) to explaining why you can't produce clear english.
I'm not going to have another conversation about posting style - especially
not in this NG!! hehe (In other words there is no reason to reply to this
post)

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LTP

"Luc The Perverse" <sll_noSpamlicious_z_XXX_m@cc.usu.edu> wrote in
news:766jf4-uhe.ln1@loki.cmears.id.au:

> And where is 2 billion PCs coming from? Did MS say 1/4 of computers
> have .NET - or is this another figure that you are making up.
>
> If every man woman and child in a developed country had 1 one computer
> with .NET on it that would be WAY over the 500 M mark. I,
> personally, have 2 computers in my house, 2 computers at work which
> are "mine" and all have .NET on them. (I didn't count my Linux server
> or embedded machine) I would say the estimate seems about right.
>

I believe the world average is 100PCs per 1000 people. But of course in
developed countries the number is much higher. There is an esimated 1
billion PCs in the world. With Microsoft having ~90% of the desktop market,
it's not surprising there are over 500 million PCs with .NET on it. The
other 500 million are probably obsolete PCs ;-)

yeah.. microsoft did pull the number out of their ass
and for the record; .net doesn't work in vista

and dotnet framework doesn't ship on _ANY_ computers

so I find it fucking ridiculous


the number is obviously high

but the fact of the matter is that this is one of those things that MS
should be posting all over the world

as it is; deployment of the .NET framework is like the major reason
that .NET adoption is like 20%

VB was the worlds most popular language

..NET still isn't a complete replaceent for VB6

I can't run VB.net in a browser

so fuck M$



On Apr 18, 9:01 pm, "Luc The Perverse"
<sll_noSpamlicious_z_XX...@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
> "Susie DBA [MSFT]" <susie...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1176920250.582781.284570@n76g2000hsh.g ooglegroups.com...
>
> > and I really really don't believe this number
>
> > * MSFT estimates that about 500M PCs worldwide have some version of
> > the
> > .Net Framework installed.
>
> > I mean WOW
>
> > does Microsoft really think that there are 2 billion PCs worldwide?
>
> > I know I've got 20+ but still
>
> I suppose you have statistics to back up your argument?
>
> It's like you're ranting, carrying on, arguing and I can't even really tell
> what you are trying to say. It's like your angry and no one knows why. . .
> Are you a troll?
>
> I mean - I imagine Microsoft didn't just pull that number out of thin air.
>
> And where is 2 billion PCs coming from? Did MS say 1/4 of computers have
> .NET - or is this another figure that you are making up.
>
> If every man woman and child in a developed country had 1 one computer with
> .NET on it that would be WAY over the 500 M mark. I, personally, have 2
> computers in my house, 2 computers at work which are "mine" and all have
> .NET on them. (I didn't count my Linux server or embedded machine) I would
> say the estimate seems about right.
>
> Actually, using my "Susie DBA [MSFT]" method of inventing numbers, I think
> MS is short by about 125,153 - but this is still excellent precision - and
> they probably had a rounding error or the data was aged by a few days.
>
> But you didn't say what you thought the number was
>
> 21 - 20 of your computers and 1 somewhere else?
> 499 Million?
>
> At no point did you even say whether you thought the estimate was high or
> low.
>
> --
> LTP
>
>

and seriously faggot

i've got a copy of tablet edition and it doesn't have the framework

so fuck you kid



On Apr 18, 9:01 pm, "Luc The Perverse"
<sll_noSpamlicious_z_XX...@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
> "Susie DBA [MSFT]" <susie...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1176920250.582781.284570@n76g2000hsh.g ooglegroups.com...
>
> > and I really really don't believe this number
>
> > * MSFT estimates that about 500M PCs worldwide have some version of
> > the
> > .Net Framework installed.
>
> > I mean WOW
>
> > does Microsoft really think that there are 2 billion PCs worldwide?
>
> > I know I've got 20+ but still
>
> I suppose you have statistics to back up your argument?
>
> It's like you're ranting, carrying on, arguing and I can't even really tell
> what you are trying to say. It's like your angry and no one knows why. . .
> Are you a troll?
>
> I mean - I imagine Microsoft didn't just pull that number out of thin air.
>
> And where is 2 billion PCs coming from? Did MS say 1/4 of computers have
> .NET - or is this another figure that you are making up.
>
> If every man woman and child in a developed country had 1 one computer with
> .NET on it that would be WAY over the 500 M mark. I, personally, have 2
> computers in my house, 2 computers at work which are "mine" and all have
> .NET on them. (I didn't count my Linux server or embedded machine) I would
> say the estimate seems about right.
>
> Actually, using my "Susie DBA [MSFT]" method of inventing numbers, I think
> MS is short by about 125,153 - but this is still excellent precision - and
> they probably had a rounding error or the data was aged by a few days.
>
> But you didn't say what you thought the number was
>
> 21 - 20 of your computers and 1 somewhere else?
> 499 Million?
>
> At no point did you even say whether you thought the estimate was high or
> low.
>
> --
> LTP
>
>

dude have you taken math class?
how does 500 million just have to be correct-- just because 90% of the
100m pc that were shipped last year; have the framework


I just totally call bullshit; and it doesn't excuse MS

just because a handful of media center boxes come with the framework--
it doesn't mean that everyone has it


it's an OPTIONAL download at windows update





On Apr 18, 9:57 pm, Spam Catcher <spamhoney...@rogers.com> wrote:
> "Luc The Perverse" <sll_noSpamlicious_z_XX...@cc.usu.edu> wrote innews:766jf4-uhe.ln1@loki.cmears.id.au:
>
> > And where is 2 billion PCs coming from? Did MS say 1/4 of computers
> > have .NET - or is this another figure that you are making up.
>
> > If every man woman and child in a developed country had 1 one computer
> > with .NET on it that would be WAY over the 500 M mark. I,
> > personally, have 2 computers in my house, 2 computers at work which
> > are "mine" and all have .NET on them. (I didn't count my Linux server
> > or embedded machine) I would say the estimate seems about right.
>
> I believe the world average is 100PCs per 1000 people. But of course in
> developed countries the number is much higher. There is an esimated 1
> billion PCs in the world. With Microsoft having ~90% of the desktop market,
> it's not surprising there are over 500 million PCs with .NET on it. The
> other 500 million are probably obsolete PCs ;-)

wow that's fucking awesome

now.. media center and .NET are both in the same category of great
ideas that suck balls?




media center is a complete failure







On Apr 18, 11:15 am, "Susie DBA [MSFT]" <susie...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> dude.. WOW
>
> where in the hell do you come up with this mis-information
>
> I think that these are _GREAT_ numbers.
> but I know for a fact that they're mother fucking wrong.
>
> I've got a new tablet; and it sure as hell doesn't have the .NET 2.0
> framework.
>
> I am pretty sure that there has only been one EDITION of tablet PC..
> so I think that your # is kinda ridiculous
>
> and media center includes .NET?
>
> that's a _GREAT_ statistic-- thank you Robin
>
> 4) More than 90% of the computers sold in 2006 had the .Net 2.0
> framework
> installed. It was included in the Windows XP Media Center edition
> shipped
> to millions of consumers in 2005 and 2006. It was also included in
> the
> Windows XP Tablet Edition.
>
> * More than 65% of Windows XP computers worldwide have the .Net
> Framework
> installed.
>
> * MSFT estimates that about 500M PCs worldwide have some version of
> the
> .Net Framework installed.
>
> So that's what I found out. The most interesting stuff (to me) was
> the
> internationalization capabilities.
>
> On Apr 16, 12:22 am, "RobinS" <Rob...@NoSpam.yah.none> wrote:
>
> > The jury is still out, but I'm hopeful. Here are the reasons, in case
> > anyone else wants to see them. I got some of the numbers from the web, and
> > some from a friend who works at MSFT.
>
> > 1) Internationalization has a lot of new and helpful stuff in .Net 2.0. For
> > one thing, the resource manager handles not just strings, but bitmaps,
> > images, audio, etc. For another, the TableLayoutPanel and FlowLayoutPanel
> > can help with the resizing of the form because of the differences in the
> > length of strings. (More controls support the AutoSize property, too). .Net
> > 2.0 supports Arabic and Hebrew, and has properties to help internationalize
> > currency names and handle right-to-left languages.
>
> > 2) When you deploy the .Net 1.1 framework, if you want the installation
> > script to be in the local language, you must deploy that version of the
> > framework. For .Net 2.0, they are all included in the same version.
>
> > 3) ClickOnce deployment is only available in .Net 2.0, which they can use
> > to deploy their app and handle incremental updates.
>
> > 4) More than 90% of the computers sold in 2006 had the .Net 2.0 framework
> > installed. It was included in the Windows XP Media Center edition shipped
> > to millions of consumers in 2005 and 2006. It was also included in the
> > Windows XP Tablet Edition.
>
> > 5) All versions of Windows Vista have .Net 2.0 installed. According to
> > MSFT, over 20 million copies of Vista were sold in the first two months
> > after its launch.
>
> > 6) Windows Vista does *not* have .Net 1.1 installed.
>
> > 7) The .Net 2.0 Framework is included in many of MSFT's own products, like
> > Encarta, the new Expression products, Windows Live OneCare, and of course
> > Visual Studio 2005.
>
> > 8) The adoption of .Net 2.0 was much higher in its initial phases than .Net
> > 1.1, and is spreading substantially faster than .Net 1.1 did.
>
> > And some general info about .Net proliferation (not version-specific) for
> > anyone who's interested:
>
> > * Software built by MSFT partners and MSFT itself is responsible for the
> > .Net Framework being installed on over 200 million systems worldwide. .Net
> > software runs in 95% of the Global 1000.
>
> > * For custom-developed apps, 44% of respondents in the US use the .Net
> > development platform.
>
> > * The vast majority of Windows XP machines in the US have the .Net
> > Framework installed.
>
> > * More than 65% of Windows XP computers worldwide have the .Net Framework
> > installed.
>
> > * MSFT estimates that about 500M PCs worldwide have some version of the
> > .Net Framework installed.
>
> > So that's what I found out. The most interesting stuff (to me) was the
> > internationalization capabilities.
>
> > Robin S.
> > -----------------------------
> > "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.net> wrote in messagenews:9pudndQW3NVTlb7bnZ2dnUVZ_rCsnZ2d@comca st.com...
>
> > >I know, but for the most part, I was just hoping what little information I
> > >could provide you would be in the smallest way useful. Hope you were
> > >able to convince them.
>
> > > Bruce
> > > "RobinS" <Rob...@NoSpam.yah.none> wrote in message
> > >news:HLmdnbP5Yqfhmb7bnZ2dnUVZ_oupnZ2d@comcast.com ...
> > >> Thanks, but I was looking for information that would support .Net 2.0,
> > >> not 1.1. :-(
>
> > >> As it turns out, you don't have to reboot after installing .Net 2.0,
> > >> either.
>
> > >> Oh, and by the way, .Net 1.1 is not included in Windows Vista.
>
> > >> Thanks anyway.
> > >> Robin S.
> > >> ------------------------------------------
> > >> "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.net> wrote in message
> > >>news:OsudnTpvPOAFdL_bnZ2dnUVZ_oernZ2d@comcast.co m...
> > >>> Robin,
>
> > >>> This year my company deployed a .Net 1.1 app in asp.net. I've installed
> > >>> the application on over 30 computers and have not had to restart the
> > >>> computer once for the .Net stuff. The only thing that caused me to have
> > >>> to reboot the machine is if the user had not updated their MDAC
> > >>> components.
>
> > >>> Bruce
>
> > >>> "RobinS" <Rob...@NoSpam.yah.none> wrote in message
> > >>>news:ML-dnXei5_OuopLbnZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> > >>>> "Jim Rand" <jimr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> > >>>>news:umdbtA5cHHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl.. .
> > >>>>> Hi Robin,
>
> > >>>>> I'm just going to live with it for now.
>
> > >>>>> At a recent MSDN roadshow I asked one of the presenters if VS 2005
> > >>>>> runs faster on Vista as his system didn't seem to suffer the same
> > >>>>> performance issues. He smiled and said that one of the benefits of
> > >>>>> working for Microsoft is he gets really fast computers - in this case
> > >>>>> a dual-core processor coupled with 4 gigs of memory.
>
> > >>>>> The only major issues that I have with VS 2005 are:
>
> > >>>>> 1) The form designer performance. The rest of the time while working
> > >>>>> in the code, performance is ok.
>
> > >>>> I think upgrading to SP1 helped this problem.
>
> > >>>>> 2) The dataset designer and the SQL code it generates. That was so
> > >>>>> bad that I rolled my own in MS Access which allows me to do in
> > >>>>> minutes what is impossible with the xsd designer.
>
> > >>>> I mucked around and wrote something that would generate the strongly
> > >>>> typed dataset w/o the table adapters, but haven't actually had time to
> > >>>> implement it yet.
>
> > >>>>> Next year should be great - a new machine, Windows Vista, and VS 2008
> > >>>>> with the kinks worked out.
>
> > >>>>> Jim
>
> > >>>>> VS 2008 with the kinks worked out.
>
> > >>>> LOL. You're such an optimist. :-D
>
> > >>>> Robin S.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

"Susie DBA [MSFT]" <susiedba@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> and seriously faggot
>
> i've got a copy of tablet edition and it doesn't have the framework
>
> so fuck you kid

You're annoying.

*plonk*

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LTP

yeah.. please explain

I've got a tablet.. and the framework doesn't show up under add/remove
programs

there's only one edition of Tablet Edition.. right??


tell me how I'm wrong.. try arguing with the FACTS

the framework is DOTNOT on a half billion desktops

get real, dipshits




On Apr 20, 9:14 am, "Luc The Perverse"
<sll_noSpamlicious_z_XX...@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
> "Susie DBA [MSFT]" <susie...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1177080527.080749.163980@d57g2000hsg.g ooglegroups.com...
>
> > and seriously faggot
>
> > i've got a copy of tablet edition and it doesn't have the framework
>
> > so fuck you kid
>
> You're annoying.
>
> *plonk*
>
> --
> LTP
>
>