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  1. Default Krita vs The GIMP

    I tried Kubuntu yesterday (rotten!) and it includes Krita. Of course, I'm
    not going to compare it with The GIMP. Krita is much too young. But
    there's an interesting "feature" that you can appreciate at first glance.

    Select the crop tool, and crop. See how it works? Exactly like I said a
    crop tool should: you pull the node and the selection grows or shrinks,
    eventually to a selected ratio, if that's what you have selected. If you
    put the cursor in the middle, you can move the selection over the picture.
    No need to read any fuckin' manual.


  2. Default Re: Krita vs The GIMP

    In article <12bvflq732tlu2b@corp.supernews.com>,
    Yugo <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    > I tried Kubuntu yesterday (rotten!) and it includes Krita. Of course, I'm
    > not going to compare it with The GIMP. Krita is much too young. But
    > there's an interesting "feature" that you can appreciate at first glance.
    >
    > Select the crop tool, and crop. See how it works? Exactly like I said a
    > crop tool should: you pull the node and the selection grows or shrinks,
    > eventually to a selected ratio, if that's what you have selected. If you
    > put the cursor in the middle, you can move the selection over the picture.
    > No need to read any fuckin' manual.


    Dude, get over it. If you don't like it, don't use it.

    *plonk*
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  3. Default Re: Krita vs The GIMP

    Yugo wrote:

    > I tried Kubuntu yesterday (rotten!) and it includes Krita. Of course, I'm
    > not going to compare it with The GIMP. Krita is much too young. But
    > there's an interesting "feature" that you can appreciate at first glance.
    >
    > Select the crop tool, and crop. See how it works? Exactly like I said a
    > crop tool should: you pull the node and the selection grows or shrinks,
    > eventually to a selected ratio, if that's what you have selected. If you
    > put the cursor in the middle, you can move the selection over the picture.
    > No need to read any fuckin' manual.


    So you're not going to upgrade then !! If you did you would have something
    very close to what Krita does. At least with the 2.3.10 version I'm using.
    And I have Krita in SuSE too. Didn't need another distro for that. As for
    obvious..in krita I used the crop tool but now how do I apply the crop ?

    Haven't spent time doing it but it is NOT obvious !! In Gimp I used the
    crop tool which I never use anyway. It moves around almost exactly the way
    it does in krita except it doesn't have the crop lines extent BEYOND the
    croping area. Not sure what, if any, benefit that gives. So in Gimp, I
    crop it to whatever size I want by dragging either from the left/right
    sides, the top/bottom or a corner to whatver EXACT size I want. I can move
    the whole crop area to wherever I want to place it. And when I've chosen
    the exact area to crop I just click in the middle and the area to be croped
    iIS cropped. And, as I said earlier, I NEVER did this before!! So it is
    obvious how to use it !! Even you, if you just took a little while to
    install this newer version would find the crop tool VERY self explanatory.

    Do yourself a favor and stop whinning. Upgrade to 2.3.10... If you find it
    difficult I'll walk you through it. You'll be so much happier if you do.
    Do you like complaining or do you want a tool that works the way you say
    you want it to ??

    I've suggested you upgrade previously, yet you refuse to do so. Yet,
    apparently, you can install another distro. SuSE already has krita. Are
    you just complaining for the sake of complaining or do you want a better
    tool ?? Upgrade, upgrade, upgrade....

    As I said, I'll walk you through the steps..IF you want a better tool. Come
    on now, it's not hard and you'll see how much better it is. Really now,
    your're spending SO MUCH time complaining and you refuse to upgrade. You
    are using 1.2.5 which is 3+ years old. Honestly, if you upgrade you'll be
    so much happier. So stop it. It's really pointless. I'm not being a
    zealot in any way here. I'm just suggesting that if you really want a
    better tool it's there for the taking. Stop being stubborn.

    Now, seriously, I've selected the crop tool in krita. How do I apply this
    cropped area ?? It's so non-obvious !! Oohhh !! Finally !! I forgot how
    windows users think. I had to double-click. Not obvious for someone who
    just single clicks all the time. So I figured it out but it was NOT
    obvious. Yet I figured it out. So I really think that, once you get used
    to single clicking in Linux, double clicking seems so lame. Oh, I'm just
    being a zealot again. Sorry. ;-(

  4. Default Re: Krita vs The GIMP

    Michael Soibelman wrote:

    > Yugo wrote:
    >
    >> I tried Kubuntu yesterday (rotten!) and it includes Krita. Of course, I'm
    >> not going to compare it with The GIMP. Krita is much too young. But
    >> there's an interesting "feature" that you can appreciate at first glance.
    >>

    >

    y !! I forgot how
    > windows users think. I had to double-click. Not obvious for someone who
    > just single clicks all the time. So I figured it out but it was NOT
    > obvious. Yet I figured it out. So I really think that, once you get used
    > to single clicking in Linux, double clicking seems so lame. Oh, I'm just
    > being a zealot again. Sorry. ;-(


    ---snip--------------------------

    And one more thing that Gimp has that even photoshop/photpaint doesn't have.
    In Gimp, when I select a region to crop, at the bottom of the screen are
    messages that tell you what operation you are doing. After I select the
    region to crop the window says "click or press enter to crop". Now how
    much better than the program telling you what to do next can it get ???
    When I select the paint tool it says "press shift to draw a straight line".
    When I use the rectangular or circular selection tool I can drag the sides
    or corners to wherever I want then selection to float and drag the
    selection anywhere on the canvas I want. The little anchor tool shows me
    that I can click on the canvas to drop the selection exactly where I want
    it. This is so self explanatory. So obvious. So easy. Come on now !!
    Perhaps I should take some screen shots for you ?? Then you'll see that
    I'm not making this up. It really is easy. Upgrade.

  5. Default Re: Krita vs The GIMP

    Michael Soibelman wrote:
    > Yugo wrote:
    >
    >
    >>I tried Kubuntu yesterday (rotten!) and it includes Krita. Of course, I'm
    >>not going to compare it with The GIMP. Krita is much too young. But
    >>there's an interesting "feature" that you can appreciate at first glance.
    >>
    >>Select the crop tool, and crop. See how it works? Exactly like I said a
    >>crop tool should: you pull the node and the selection grows or shrinks,
    >>eventually to a selected ratio, if that's what you have selected. If you
    >>put the cursor in the middle, you can move the selection over the picture.
    >>No need to read any fuckin' manual.

    >
    >
    > So you're not going to upgrade then !! If you did you would have something
    > very close to what Krita does.


    I tried version 2,2 with Knoppix.

    > At least with the 2.3.10 version I'm using.


    The latest is always the best! Sometimes I wonder when the best will
    finally work half decently.

    > And I have Krita in SuSE too. Didn't need another distro for that. As for
    > obvious..in krita I used the crop tool but now how do I apply the crop ?


    I had the same question. I didn't say Krita was perfect. I said it had a
    fine crop tool. Final.

    It's pretty much the same for all open source projects: if you had the
    features of this soft with those of that soft, you'd really have a great
    software. But if you note that things are not working properly, you're
    told that you should "get over it", "program it the way you want and
    contribute, for Christ's sake" or... "that's nice!"

    > Do yourself a favor and stop whinning. Upgrade to 2.3.10...


    As I said, when I upgrade my whole system. I don't want to get into
    dependencies hell with and old version of Slackware. Kubuntu is a Live-CD
    and I wouldn't install it for all the money in the world. It's downright
    rotten.

    I'll probably end up installing straight Debian. But I don't change distro
    every six months and I like to think about it. May I? And test with Live
    CDs in the mean time, even though they don't offer the latest test version?


  6. Default Re: Krita vs The GIMP

    Yugo wrote:

    > Michael Soibelman wrote:
    >> Yugo wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>I tried Kubuntu yesterday (rotten!) and it includes Krita. Of course, I'm
    >>>not going to compare it with The GIMP. Krita is much too young. But
    >>>there's an interesting "feature" that you can appreciate at first glance.
    >>>
    >>>Select the crop tool, and crop. See how it works? Exactly like I said a
    >>>crop tool should: you pull the node and the selection grows or shrinks,
    >>>eventually to a selected ratio, if that's what you have selected. If you
    >>>put the cursor in the middle, you can move the selection over the
    >>>picture. No need to read any fuckin' manual.

    >>
    >>
    >> So you're not going to upgrade then !! If you did you would have
    >> something very close to what Krita does.

    >
    > I tried version 2,2 with Knoppix.
    >
    >> At least with the 2.3.10 version I'm using.

    >
    > The latest is always the best! Sometimes I wonder when the best will
    > finally work half decently.
    >
    >> And I have Krita in SuSE too. Didn't need another distro for that. As
    >> for obvious..in krita I used the crop tool but now how do I apply the
    >> crop ?

    >
    > I had the same question. I didn't say Krita was perfect. I said it had a
    > fine crop tool. Final.
    >
    > It's pretty much the same for all open source projects: if you had the
    > features of this soft with those of that soft, you'd really have a great
    > software. But if you note that things are not working properly, you're
    > told that you should "get over it", "program it the way you want and
    > contribute, for Christ's sake" or... "that's nice!"
    >
    >> Do yourself a favor and stop whinning. Upgrade to 2.3.10...

    >
    > As I said, when I upgrade my whole system. I don't want to get into
    > dependencies hell with and old version of Slackware. Kubuntu is a Live-CD
    > and I wouldn't install it for all the money in the world. It's downright
    > rotten.
    >
    > I'll probably end up installing straight Debian. But I don't change distro
    > every six months and I like to think about it. May I? And test with Live
    > CDs in the mean time, even though they don't offer the latest test
    > version?


    Well, perhaps you set yourself up for the remarks made to you ?? Everyone
    foolishly ASSUMED you were using a recent version of Gimp when you, on your
    first post regarding the Gimp, ranted about zealots this, developers that.
    Probably, like the rest of the respondents, I didn't understand what you
    were talking about as any newer version works pretty much the way one would
    expect. If you are going to upgrade your entire OS than perhaps you should
    wait another month or so until the "unstable" version is included. I know
    SuSE 10.1 gives the option of installing Gimp-2.3.9 so that would be pretty
    good. So next time you want to rant in your very first post tell us if
    your using a 3+ year old version of whatever it is your talking about.
    Then we'll probably tell you to use something more recent. Not necessarily
    the newest one either.

    I've suggested to you in previous post that if you have a desire for some
    new feature you should offer it as a suggestion. No one has suggested
    otherwise. But hitting someone in the head to make your point is futile.
    You might find people who agree with your viewpoint. Then, if enough
    people want that feature the developers will agree to implement it. No one
    has ever suggested that things should be difficult to accomplish. Maybe
    you have good ideas. OFFER THEM !! Frustration SUCKS !! Anxiety
    SUCKS !! You'll give yourself high blood pressure. Relax...if you want.

  7. Default Re: Krita vs The GIMP

    Michael Soibelman wrote:
    > Yugo wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Michael Soibelman wrote:
    >>
    >>>Yugo wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>I tried Kubuntu yesterday (rotten!) and it includes Krita. Of course, I'm
    >>>>not going to compare it with The GIMP. Krita is much too young. But
    >>>>there's an interesting "feature" that you can appreciate at first glance.
    >>>>
    >>>>Select the crop tool, and crop. See how it works? Exactly like I said a
    >>>>crop tool should: you pull the node and the selection grows or shrinks,
    >>>>eventually to a selected ratio, if that's what you have selected. If you
    >>>>put the cursor in the middle, you can move the selection over the
    >>>>picture. No need to read any fuckin' manual.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>So you're not going to upgrade then !! If you did you would have
    >>>something very close to what Krita does.

    >>
    >>I tried version 2,2 with Knoppix.
    >>
    >>
    >>>At least with the 2.3.10 version I'm using.

    >>
    >>The latest is always the best! Sometimes I wonder when the best will
    >>finally work half decently.
    >>
    >>
    >>>And I have Krita in SuSE too. Didn't need another distro for that. As
    >>>for obvious..in krita I used the crop tool but now how do I apply the
    >>>crop ?

    >>
    >>I had the same question. I didn't say Krita was perfect. I said it had a
    >>fine crop tool. Final.
    >>
    >>It's pretty much the same for all open source projects: if you had the
    >>features of this soft with those of that soft, you'd really have a great
    >>software. But if you note that things are not working properly, you're
    >>told that you should "get over it", "program it the way you want and
    >>contribute, for Christ's sake" or... "that's nice!"
    >>
    >>
    >>>Do yourself a favor and stop whinning. Upgrade to 2.3.10...

    >>
    >>As I said, when I upgrade my whole system. I don't want to get into
    >>dependencies hell with and old version of Slackware. Kubuntu is a Live-CD
    >>and I wouldn't install it for all the money in the world. It's downright
    >>rotten.
    >>
    >>I'll probably end up installing straight Debian. But I don't change distro
    >>every six months and I like to think about it. May I? And test with Live
    >>CDs in the mean time, even though they don't offer the latest test
    >>version?

    >
    >
    > Well, perhaps you set yourself up for the remarks made to you ?? Everyone
    > foolishly ASSUMED you were using a recent version of Gimp when you, on your
    > first post regarding the Gimp, ranted about zealots this, developers that.


    This is my first message you're talking about:

    http://groups.google.com/group/comp....483a72a622c48b

    Can you copy/paste the first sentence, first line, so we know what we're
    talking about?

    Soibelman, you should really begin to drink. At least, you'd have an excuse.


  8. Default Re: Krita vs The GIMP

    Yugo wrote:

    > Michael Soibelman wrote:
    >> Yugo wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>Michael Soibelman wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Yugo wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>I tried Kubuntu yesterday (rotten!) and it includes Krita. Of course,
    >>>>>I'm not going to compare it with The GIMP. Krita is much too young. But
    >>>>>there's an interesting "feature" that you can appreciate at first
    >>>>>glance.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Select the crop tool, and crop. See how it works? Exactly like I said a
    >>>>>crop tool should: you pull the node and the selection grows or shrinks,
    >>>>>eventually to a selected ratio, if that's what you have selected. If
    >>>>>you put the cursor in the middle, you can move the selection over the
    >>>>>picture. No need to read any fuckin' manual.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>So you're not going to upgrade then !! If you did you would have
    >>>>something very close to what Krita does.
    >>>
    >>>I tried version 2,2 with Knoppix.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>At least with the 2.3.10 version I'm using.
    >>>
    >>>The latest is always the best! Sometimes I wonder when the best will
    >>>finally work half decently.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>And I have Krita in SuSE too. Didn't need another distro for that. As
    >>>>for obvious..in krita I used the crop tool but now how do I apply the
    >>>>crop ?
    >>>
    >>>I had the same question. I didn't say Krita was perfect. I said it had a
    >>>fine crop tool. Final.
    >>>
    >>>It's pretty much the same for all open source projects: if you had the
    >>>features of this soft with those of that soft, you'd really have a great
    >>>software. But if you note that things are not working properly, you're
    >>>told that you should "get over it", "program it the way you want and
    >>>contribute, for Christ's sake" or... "that's nice!"
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Do yourself a favor and stop whinning. Upgrade to 2.3.10...
    >>>
    >>>As I said, when I upgrade my whole system. I don't want to get into
    >>>dependencies hell with and old version of Slackware. Kubuntu is a Live-CD
    >>>and I wouldn't install it for all the money in the world. It's downright
    >>>rotten.
    >>>
    >>>I'll probably end up installing straight Debian. But I don't change
    >>>distro
    >>>every six months and I like to think about it. May I? And test with Live
    >>>CDs in the mean time, even though they don't offer the latest test
    >>>version?

    >>
    >>
    >> Well, perhaps you set yourself up for the remarks made to you ??
    >> Everyone foolishly ASSUMED you were using a recent version of Gimp when
    >> you, on your first post regarding the Gimp, ranted about zealots this,
    >> developers that.

    >
    > This is my first message you're talking about:
    >
    >

    http://groups.google.com/group/comp....483a72a622c48b
    >
    > Can you copy/paste the first sentence, first line, so we know what we're
    > talking about?
    >
    > Soibelman, you should really begin to drink. At least, you'd have an
    > excuse.


    I never saw THAT !! I don't generally look to Google Groups for anything.
    I was reffering to the first post to alt.os.suse.linx. Apparently you
    weren't so much in a rant at what turns out to be your first post. Sorry.

    I meant the first post I saw. So lets just move on now.

    P.S. I am drinking....coffee.

    And I just read the article you linked to. It wouldn't be a stretch to say
    that was the most articulate, thoughtful post you've made, period. Too bad
    you weren't so much so in your posts elsewhere. And that you didn't
    mention what version you were using either. So you got youself in a big
    huff and ranted to those of us who knew nothing about where you were coming
    from. My first reading of your post to alt.os.suse.linux was just one big
    rant about zealots, etc...Not a very friendly introduction.



  9. Default Re: Krita vs The GIMP

    Michael Soibelman wrote:
    > Yugo wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Michael Soibelman wrote:
    >>
    >>>Yugo wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Michael Soibelman wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>Yugo wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>I tried Kubuntu yesterday (rotten!) and it includes Krita. Of course,
    >>>>>>I'm not going to compare it with The GIMP. Krita is much too young. But
    >>>>>>there's an interesting "feature" that you can appreciate at first
    >>>>>>glance.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Select the crop tool, and crop. See how it works? Exactly like I said a
    >>>>>>crop tool should: you pull the node and the selection grows or shrinks,
    >>>>>>eventually to a selected ratio, if that's what you have selected. If
    >>>>>>you put the cursor in the middle, you can move the selection over the
    >>>>>>picture. No need to read any fuckin' manual.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>So you're not going to upgrade then !! If you did you would have
    >>>>>something very close to what Krita does.
    >>>>
    >>>>I tried version 2,2 with Knoppix.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>At least with the 2.3.10 version I'm using.
    >>>>
    >>>>The latest is always the best! Sometimes I wonder when the best will
    >>>>finally work half decently.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>And I have Krita in SuSE too. Didn't need another distro for that. As
    >>>>>for obvious..in krita I used the crop tool but now how do I apply the
    >>>>>crop ?
    >>>>
    >>>>I had the same question. I didn't say Krita was perfect. I said it had a
    >>>>fine crop tool. Final.
    >>>>
    >>>>It's pretty much the same for all open source projects: if you had the
    >>>>features of this soft with those of that soft, you'd really have a great
    >>>>software. But if you note that things are not working properly, you're
    >>>>told that you should "get over it", "program it the way you want and
    >>>>contribute, for Christ's sake" or... "that's nice!"
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>Do yourself a favor and stop whinning. Upgrade to 2.3.10...
    >>>>
    >>>>As I said, when I upgrade my whole system. I don't want to get into
    >>>>dependencies hell with and old version of Slackware. Kubuntu is a Live-CD
    >>>>and I wouldn't install it for all the money in the world. It's downright
    >>>>rotten.
    >>>>
    >>>>I'll probably end up installing straight Debian. But I don't change
    >>>>distro
    >>>>every six months and I like to think about it. May I? And test with Live
    >>>>CDs in the mean time, even though they don't offer the latest test
    >>>>version?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Well, perhaps you set yourself up for the remarks made to you ??
    >>>Everyone foolishly ASSUMED you were using a recent version of Gimp when
    >>>you, on your first post regarding the Gimp, ranted about zealots this,
    >>>developers that.

    >>
    >>This is my first message you're talking about:
    >>
    >>

    >
    > http://groups.google.com/group/comp....483a72a622c48b
    >
    >>Can you copy/paste the first sentence, first line, so we know what we're
    >>talking about?
    >>
    >>Soibelman, you should really begin to drink. At least, you'd have an
    >>excuse.

    >
    >
    > I never saw THAT !!


    I thought so. It always seems to me you answer without reading messages.

    > I don't generally look to Google Groups for anything.


    Still, you're aware, I suppose, that you were second to answer this message:

    http://groups.google.com/group/comp....8d2de9ccb9cddf

    > P.S. I am drinking....coffee.


    Isn't it good with just a drop of Chivas?


  10. Default Re: Krita vs The GIMP

    "Dr. Boggis" <boggissimoron@yahoo.com> writes:

    > In article <12bvflq732tlu2b@corp.supernews.com>,
    > Yugo <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    >
    > > I tried Kubuntu yesterday (rotten!) and it includes Krita. Of course, I'm
    > > not going to compare it with The GIMP. Krita is much too young. But
    > > there's an interesting "feature" that you can appreciate at first glance.
    > >
    > > Select the crop tool, and crop. See how it works? Exactly like I said a
    > > crop tool should: you pull the node and the selection grows or shrinks,
    > > eventually to a selected ratio, if that's what you have selected. If you
    > > put the cursor in the middle, you can move the selection over the picture.
    > > No need to read any fuckin' manual.

    >
    > Dude, get over it. If you don't like it, don't use it.


    .....aaaannnd that's why the GIMP GUI still mostly sucks.

    You get what you pay for.

    -gc

    --
    Freeman Dyson recounts how the RAF tried hard to locate the admin hq for
    German aircraft production, found it, bombed it into oblivion... and
    were horrified when German aircraft production rates went *up*
    -- Henry Spencer

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