Tutorials on PhotoShop - Graphics

On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:27:54 +1000, "jones" <jones@nowhere.com> wrote:

>Sorry Billy,
>
>I can't cook :-( I hate cooking.
>
>Katherine
>
>
>> By the way, Katherine, may I come to lunch with you
>> sometime soon?
>>
>> Now see you have nice day.
>> Hope to hear from you soon.
>>
>> Billy.
>

I didn't have food in mind.

Billy.

On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:35:27 +1000, "jones" <jones@nowhere.com> wrote:

>Yes Gigi, stay.
>
>Was going to say the same thing myself Ron, but you beat me to it :-)
>Katherine
>
>
>
>
>> There are lots of nice people here Gigi - and some brains too
>> I hope you stick around.
>>

Don't let the personality disordered posters put you off Gigi.
As I said in a previous post this newsgroup has more than its
fair share of strange people. They seem to be obsessed with
pirate copies, trolls, strangers and a number of other things
which I will leave you to enjoy discovering. Of course not
all posters to this group fall into the above classification.
Some are good people, kind, helpful, intelligent, knowledgeable
and a credit to humanity.

The trick is in finding them!

Billy

PS. *Whatever you do, do not post personal info to this group.*

JF <JF@nospammers.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:37:50 -0700, "CJ" <cje20@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Dev wrote:
> >
> >> Hello to All,
> >> I am new to Photoshop. kindly send the addresses of e-books for using
> >> PhotoShop
> >> thanks in advance
> >
> >www.google.com
>
> I think this kind of answers is in the same level as the question
> made.
>
> Using newsgroups will be nice if all of us remember the newbies a gold
> rule: READ THE FAQ before posting.

I agree with you on this one! and this is one of the reasons for around 3
decades modeming (and I even read Usenet years before Internet was born) and
I hardly need to ask any question.

Because I can find more than what I need by reading old answers, and they
are often more than I need.

> This groups has a large one, but seems to be lost in the Net
> hyperspace. Anybody knows where it is?
>
> Using Google is not a genetic known way to find information. Some
> examples will be nice to newcomers.

Google has always been my friend, and I always Google when I need a friend
to solve my problem.

> In the other hand, a "Thanks" response to huge list offered by Billy
> is not the kind one could expect. And I don't wanna know if the
> Photoshop copy is a PIRATE COPY or a LEGAL COPY. This could be another
> huge thread to explore.

I won't mind to delete few person_to_person "thank you" msgs, but I sure
don't want to spend time to download and delete thousands of "thank you"
headers.

> Perhaps the matter is not this groups, is all groups issue. People
> don't know how to use newsgroups, email, web, or Internet at all.
> People thinks the Net has all the answers, despite the individuals
> behind it, who really has the answers...

On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:38:18 -0500, Joe <joe@dontspam.com> wrote:

>JF <JF@nospammers.com> wrote:
>
>
> I agree with you on this one! and this is one of the reasons for around 3
>decades modeming (and I even read Usenet years before Internet was born) and
>I hardly need to ask any question.

Yes. But seems that this is not the right answer anyone wanna read or
hear about. Anycase, I'll lurk into my old archives to redeem this FAQ
seen several months ago (perhaps years!). I'm sure is a project
(cancelled?) that worth the effort to maintain updated info available,
to newcomers and old ones.

>
> Because I can find more than what I need by reading old answers, and they
>are often more than I need.

Sure. I read several groups and don't post so much. Answers come from
proof readings in 99% of cases...

>> Using Google is not a genetic known way to find information. Some
>> examples will be nice to newcomers.
>
> Google has always been my friend, and I always Google when I need a friend
>to solve my problem.

Yeah, but is not "the answer" to any question posted in a specific
interest group. If it was, why do we need a group? This is the point.
If some asks about Level correction issues, I don't throw a simple "go
to Google". I will address to specific sites, books, references,
tutorials or answers. IMHO adressing people to Google for all is a
waste of time for group members. Or... perhaps the only subjects to
speak about here are the ultra-high-level one, guru-ones or so? I
don't think so. There is a large amount of themes to talk about
between the simple "How to make a transparent GIF" and "how to correct
a CMYK issue", por example.

Regards
JF

JF wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:37:50 -0700, "CJ" <cje20@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dev wrote:
> >
> >> Hello to All,
> >> I am new to Photoshop. kindly send the addresses of e-books for
> using >> PhotoShop
> >> thanks in advance
> >
> > www.google.com
>
> I think this kind of answers is in the same level as the question
> made.
>

Amazingly astute observation.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to compile a list of URL's
for a person who is either too lazy or unwilling to do even a smidgen
of research on their own.

--
Cliff

Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:16:39 -0000, "CJ" <cje20@hotmail.com>:

>JF wrote:
>
>> I think this kind of answers is in the same level as the question
>> made.
>>
>
>Amazingly astute observation.

Really?

>I have neither the time nor the inclination to compile a list of URL's
>for a person who is either too lazy or unwilling to do even a smidgen
>of research on their own.

I agree on that, but by the same reason, I prefer no message at all
.... isn't? The Google-is-the-answer replies are too easy to do and too
wastefull for either the lazy person that ask for the
easy-way-info-grabbing and the rest of us. Waste of time for all. As
this reply, of course. But.... this is a free media to expres us! (I
think....) :-)

CS3 is a prefereable Subject, I think... XD

Regards
JF

JF <JF@nospammers.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:38:18 -0500, Joe <joe@dontspam.com> wrote:
>
> >JF <JF@nospammers.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I agree with you on this one! and this is one of the reasons for around 3
> >decades modeming (and I even read Usenet years before Internet was born) and
> >I hardly need to ask any question.
>
> Yes. But seems that this is not the right answer anyone wanna read or
> hear about. Anycase, I'll lurk into my old archives to redeem this FAQ
> seen several months ago (perhaps years!). I'm sure is a project
> (cancelled?) that worth the effort to maintain updated info available,
> to newcomers and old ones.

*If* you just monitor this or any newsgroup for 1-2 months then you will
see that most questions are same or similar to what others asked
miniutes/hours/days or weeks/months ago.

And because ISP only keep Usenet message for so many days (30 days or
hundreds of days etc. depending on the ISP) and too many different subject
to go through, when Web (forums, newsgroups) often keep messages for months
or even years. So, I always try to GOOGLE for the specific answer, and
reading Usenet to keep up with what's going on (cuz I don't have time to
surf the net). And by the time I Googled for some minutes I often learn
extra information.

And what I am trying to say that instead of spending days/months/years
answering the very same questions been asked thousands of times, we can use
this valuable time to learn something new.

Or if you've been here for around 2-3 weeks then you should have seen some
like.

- Where to find photoshop tutorial

- How to crop

- How to merge 2 images into one

- How to batch converting/resizing

- CS3 and Vista installing problem

Those should be able to find on web (matter fact Google has THIS newsgroup
and you can find all older/newer questions/answers there).

> > Because I can find more than what I need by reading old answers, and they
> >are often more than I need.
>
> Sure. I read several groups and don't post so much. Answers come from
> proof readings in 99% of cases...
>
> >> Using Google is not a genetic known way to find information. Some
> >> examples will be nice to newcomers.
> >
> > Google has always been my friend, and I always Google when I need a friend
> >to solve my problem.
>
> Yeah, but is not "the answer" to any question posted in a specific
> interest group. If it was, why do we need a group? This is the point.
> If some asks about Level correction issues, I don't throw a simple "go
> to Google". I will address to specific sites, books, references,
> tutorials or answers. IMHO adressing people to Google for all is a
> waste of time for group members. Or... perhaps the only subjects to
> speak about here are the ultra-high-level one, guru-ones or so? I
> don't think so. There is a large amount of themes to talk about
> between the simple "How to make a transparent GIF" and "how to correct
> a CMYK issue", por example.

- Why do we need this group? to get information/answer of course

- Where to get answer? whererever we can find better/faster available answer

- Do we need to repeat the same old questions/answers daily? of course we
don't but sadly we have the same issue to deal with. Or most same question
often being asked every few days, and the same thread often last for
days/week.

> Regards
> JF

JF@nospam.com wrote:

> Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:16:39 -0000, "CJ" <cje20@hotmail.com>:
>
> >JF wrote:
> >
> >> I think this kind of answers is in the same level as the question
> >> made.
> >>
> >
> >Amazingly astute observation.
>
> Really?
>
> >I have neither the time nor the inclination to compile a list of URL's
> >for a person who is either too lazy or unwilling to do even a smidgen
> >of research on their own.
>
> I agree on that, but by the same reason, I prefer no message at all
> ... isn't? The Google-is-the-answer replies are too easy to do and too
> wastefull for either the lazy person that ask for the
> easy-way-info-grabbing and the rest of us. Waste of time for all. As
> this reply, of course. But.... this is a free media to expres us! (I
> think....) :-)

I think everyone if not most prople give you the honor to serve who
refuses to be friend with Ms Google <bg>

And if you can give a better answer than Ms Google can, then my hat is off
to you <bg>. Me?

- I try to help myself as much as I can, and only ask when I run out of
source

- And because I know Google has 99-101% of answer waiting for me to learn,
so I always Google first before asking for help. And it's so sad that I
always find answer from Google to have the chance to ask and hope to find
the answer from newsgroup. And Google is my answer and I don't think it's
wrong to share the goodie to friend, not?

> CS3 is a prefereable Subject, I think... XD
>
> Regards
> JF

On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:54:34 -0500, Joe <joe@dontspam.com> wrote:

> *If* you just monitor this or any newsgroup for 1-2 months then you will
>see that most questions are same or similar to what others asked
>miniutes/hours/days or weeks/months ago.

Sure, I do that for years, not months or days.... :-)

>or even years. So, I always try to GOOGLE for the specific answer, and
>reading Usenet to keep up with what's going on (cuz I don't have time to
>surf the net). And by the time I Googled for some minutes I often learn
>extra information.

Sure you do that, but many people don't know how to use
Google, neither the Net at all. This is not the point. I do Google
searchs every minute I need info. But in a newsgroup I wanna find
answers, no new ways to search.... Too easy to kick out the ball....

>answering the very same questions been asked thousands of times, we can use
>this valuable time to learn something new.

OF COURSE! A FAQ is a must, do you agree?

>- Why do we need this group? to get information/answer of course

Yes. Not for forwarding and be forwarded to another service as
Google. Not in the way have seen. If you forward some to Google, it
seems IMHO that you don't wanna waste your time (no matter, is your
choice) answering a frequently asked question. Ok. I think it will be
more useful to all to point to a FAQ, or be quit at all.

>
>- Where to get answer? whererever we can find better/faster available answer

Oh yes. But you are a rich resources person (me too, IMHO) but
not all the people in this and others groups are.

>- Do we need to repeat the same old questions/answers daily? of course we
>don't but sadly we have the same issue to deal with. Or most same question
>often being asked every few days, and the same thread often last for
>days/week.

Nope. A FAQ is a must. I prefer to redirect people to a FAQ
than Google. Perhaps these people learn some more interesting things,
and perhaps the FAQ must include some guidelines about Google, why
not...

JF

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