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Can I fabricate my own USB power cable?

  1. Default Can I fabricate my own USB power cable?

    Hi all. Here's the situation:

    I bought a Panasonic Toughbook CF-T2 laptop computer recently. It's
    an awesome small light laptop. But it has no built-in optical drive.
    The much more expensive W2 does, but I didn't buy one of those because
    of the cost. What I did buy, however, was a NU-Tech external
    "slimline" CD-RW/DVD-ROM USB 2.0 combo drive. See, I had this idea
    that even though the NU-Tech drive is not advertised as being
    powerable directly from the USB port, that I could make it work with a
    little bit of work. I want to be able to use the NU-Tech optical
    drive on the road with no A/C power available, and the drive comes
    only with an A/C adapter power source. In fact, almost all "portable"
    external USB 2.0 drives come with an A/C adapter. How is that
    portable, I ask you? How can you be expected to use such a device in
    all of the places that notebook computers are used where there is no
    A/C power source available?

    Well before buying the drive I did some research and determined that I
    might be able to power it directly from the USB port, since it takes a
    5V power input and USB ports provide 5V power out. It turns out USB
    power cables are really hard to find. But I discovered that I could
    buy a mini USB 2.0 hub on eBay that comes with a USB power cable. The
    dimensions of the power connector are the same. And the hub was only
    1 cent on eBay (with $12 shipping of course, which is where they make
    their money).

    So I get the laptop, get the drive, and get the hub. I plug the
    drive's USB data cable into one of the T2's USB ports. I plug the
    power cable into the other USB port, and into the power in port of the
    drive. Bingo, the drive fires up and looks like it is working! Only
    problem is, the bottom of the drive says "1.5 A" and I know that USB
    ports are only supposed to be able to deliver 500 mA (i.e. .5 A) when
    designed properly - and some aren't even well-made enought to deliever
    the full 500 mA. But I'm going to give Panasonic credit, they make an
    excellent laptop and I believe that I'm getting the full 500 mA out.

    The problem is that the CD drive really does require more than 500 mA
    in some situations. First, what works: playing a DVD works. This is
    awesome, because now I can view DVDs on the road. I think this works
    because playing a DVD only requires the drive to spin up to a certain
    low speed, which takes less than 500 mA. Next, what partially works:
    I can read data off of CD's most of the time but sometimes the drive
    has problems, I think it's when it spins up too fast and then it kinda
    spins all the way down for a second like it's lost sync or power or
    something (probably had a problem driving the laser with all of the
    power used up spinning the disc at a high speed?). After a few
    minutes of spin up/spin down cycles, it seems like the drive finally
    gives up and returns to a low spin speed. Then it continues to work
    for that disc just fine. But this few minute interval is annoying and
    can interrupt whatever process is using the CD drive. Finally, what
    doesn't work at all: burning discs just does not work. Apparently 500
    mA is just not enough juice for this.

    OK, so I'm fine with not being able to burn discs when not near an A/C
    power source. I don't really ever need to do this anyway.

    But I really would like the reading of CDs and DVDs to be rock solid.
    And for this, I think I need to deliver more power to the drive.

    So my question is, will it help to somehow splice together the USB
    power cable so that I can plug it into *both* USB ports? Will each
    deliver the full 500 mA, and will I then be able to give a full 1 A to
    the drive? Hopefully this will be enough to read any CD/DVD at any
    speed.

    I was thinking that I would just take another USB cable (I have
    zillions), cut it open and untangle the wires. I believe there are 4
    wires in there, 2 data and 2 power. I just have to splice the 2 power
    wires into the 2 power wires of my USB power cable right? I remember
    embarrasingly little from my college physics classes - will the
    resulting cable still be 5 V or do the voltages add up (will the
    resulting cable be 10 V instead?)? Finally, would I be able to take
    the 2 data wires from the USB cable that I cut up and splice them into
    a USB hub, so that I would have:

    * Both USB ports delivering power to 1 power adapter
    * One USB port connected to an unpowered USB hub into which I would
    then plug all of my data devices?

    Is this a crazy/useless idea?

    Another way to solve my problem, that I actually think would be better
    in many ways, would be to somehow limit the spin speed of the drive
    itself. Is there some way under Windows to tell the drive to never
    spin up to more than, say, 10x (I believe that it is a 24x drive)?
    How about under Linux?

    Thanks for any suggestions, and very best wishes,
    Bryan

  2. Default Re: Can I fabricate my own USB power cable?

    bji-gg@ischo.com (Bryan Ischo) wrote in message news:<d976b79f.0409091048.48af4ffc@posting.google.com>...
    > So my question is, will it help to somehow splice together the USB
    > power cable so that I can plug it into *both* USB ports? Will each
    > deliver the full 500 mA, and will I then be able to give a full 1 A to
    > the drive? Hopefully this will be enough to read any CD/DVD at any
    > speed.
    >
    > I was thinking that I would just take another USB cable (I have
    > zillions), cut it open and untangle the wires. I believe there are 4
    > wires in there, 2 data and 2 power. I just have to splice the 2 power
    > wires into the 2 power wires of my USB power cable right? I remember
    > embarrasingly little from my college physics classes - will the
    > resulting cable still be 5 V or do the voltages add up (will the
    > resulting cable be 10 V instead?)? Finally, would I be able to take
    > the 2 data wires from the USB cable that I cut up and splice them into
    > a USB hub, so that I would have:
    >
    > * Both USB ports delivering power to 1 power adapter
    > * One USB port connected to an unpowered USB hub into which I would
    > then plug all of my data devices?
    >
    > Is this a crazy/useless idea?


    Yes. Probably all USB ports are sharing 500ma.

    > Another way to solve my problem, that I actually think would be better
    > in many ways, would be to somehow limit the spin speed of the drive
    > itself. Is there some way under Windows to tell the drive to never
    > spin up to more than, say, 10x (I believe that it is a 24x drive)?
    > How about under Linux?
    >

    Yes, under Windows there is such a program. Search for CD Drive Speed
    Limiter or something like that, and you should find what you need.

    http://www.cdspeed2000.com/

    Aaron

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    Maybe a capacitor spliced inline would be the best choice. It will
    store the excess power that is not being used by the drive in the low
    power situations and make it available when the drive demands more.

  4. Default Re: Can I fabricate my own USB power cable?

    aaron.axvig@sendit.nodak.edu (Aaron) wrote in message news:<93f8353a.0409091902.24965e3f@posting.google.com>...
    > bji-gg@ischo.com (Bryan Ischo) wrote in message news:<d976b79f.0409091048.48af4ffc@posting.google.com>...
    > > So my question is, will it help to somehow splice together the USB
    > > power cable so that I can plug it into *both* USB ports? Will each
    > > deliver the full 500 mA, and will I then be able to give a full 1 A to
    > > the drive? Hopefully this will be enough to read any CD/DVD at any
    > > speed.
    > >
    > > I was thinking that I would just take another USB cable (I have
    > > zillions), cut it open and untangle the wires. I believe there are 4
    > > wires in there, 2 data and 2 power. I just have to splice the 2 power
    > > wires into the 2 power wires of my USB power cable right? I remember
    > > embarrasingly little from my college physics classes - will the
    > > resulting cable still be 5 V or do the voltages add up (will the
    > > resulting cable be 10 V instead?)? Finally, would I be able to take
    > > the 2 data wires from the USB cable that I cut up and splice them into
    > > a USB hub, so that I would have:
    > >
    > > * Both USB ports delivering power to 1 power adapter
    > > * One USB port connected to an unpowered USB hub into which I would
    > > then plug all of my data devices?
    > >
    > > Is this a crazy/useless idea?

    >
    > Yes. Probably all USB ports are sharing 500ma.
    >
    > > Another way to solve my problem, that I actually think would be better
    > > in many ways, would be to somehow limit the spin speed of the drive
    > > itself. Is there some way under Windows to tell the drive to never
    > > spin up to more than, say, 10x (I believe that it is a 24x drive)?
    > > How about under Linux?
    > >

    > Yes, under Windows there is such a program. Search for CD Drive Speed
    > Limiter or something like that, and you should find what you need.
    >
    > http://www.cdspeed2000.com/
    >
    > Aaron


    Thank you very much for your response. I guess the program you
    mention sounds like a better option than messing with the hardware.

    Thanks again, and best wishes,
    Bryan

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    jajwarehouse@gmail.com (JAJ) wrote in message news:<c070a001.0409092231.57429653@posting.google.com>...
    > Maybe a capacitor spliced inline would be the best choice. It will
    > store the excess power that is not being used by the drive in the low
    > power situations and make it available when the drive demands more.


    How big would be capacitor need to be to satisfy up to 500 mA extra
    load for minutes at a time?

    Thanks!
    Bryan

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    Hi,

    Yes you can limmit the speed.

    As already said, on a notebook, the 500mA will be shared, so more usb
    ports = same power.

    Anyway, back to limiting the speed. Nero Drive Speed

    Download a trial version of Nero, its included in the package. You set
    the capable speeds and the max speed you would like the drive to spin
    at.

    I think you can also download just Drive Speed as a freeware program
    as part of their utility pack.

    Good luck.

    Tarl

  7. Default Re: Can I fabricate my own USB power cable?

    Yes you can make your own cable and if you hook up power leads in parallel i.e. + to + and -to - the voltage remains virtually the same with an increase in current supply. Or you can purchase one from link below. This is a problem with allot of laptop drives being used as an external usb drive they initialize at over 1vdc and one usb port is not enough to power it up. Limiting speed is one way but I would think not real efficient as if there is a constant pull on usb port at over its rating drive will become overheated and could actually become dangerous.

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