java 3d speed question - Java-Games

> I want to create a 3d 1st person shooter and am thinking about doing
> it in java because it is cross platform and supports opengl. My
> question is: can it be done speedwise and 3d-wise. In other words is
> java currently fast enough to create a 25+ fps 3d 1st person shooter
> with BOTS+AI, and how good/fast are the java 3d libs.

I've done a raycast engine in www.processing.org which based on java:
http://www.andre-michelle.com/processing/raycaster

On most systems it runs very fast (> 50fps) - nonoptimized.
So it has demo status, but I think it have the power to complete a
raycasting with different heights, different tileaspect etc.

I don't know anything about java3d, cause I'm a frustrated flash coder, who
is just looking for more performance)
Processing is a step for me to join java.


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aM
http://www.andre-michelle.com

> http://www.andre-michelle.com/processing/raycaster

wrong link.
take: http://www.andre-michelle.com/processing/raycasting/

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aM

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 22:15:59 +0200, "André Michelle"
<am@extrajetzt.de> wrote:

>> I want to create a 3d 1st person shooter and am thinking about doing
>> it in java because it is cross platform and supports opengl. My
>> question is: can it be done speedwise and 3d-wise. In other words is
>> java currently fast enough to create a 25+ fps 3d 1st person shooter
>> with BOTS+AI, and how good/fast are the java 3d libs.
>
>I've done a raycast engine in www.processing.org which based on java:
>http://www.andre-michelle.com/processing/raycaster
>
>On most systems it runs very fast (> 50fps) - nonoptimized.
>So it has demo status, but I think it have the power to complete a
>raycasting with different heights, different tileaspect etc.
>
>I don't know anything about java3d, cause I'm a frustrated flash coder, who
>is just looking for more performance)
>Processing is a step for me to join java.

Wow, looks like java has come a long way compared to the 2d tile based
stuff i did +/- six years ago. This kind of things could only be done
in C or delphi/pascal back then. I think it's time to start designing
my game !

BTW: If you are looking for more performance you might want to check
out c++ (or delphi) and directx/opengl. I've done some things with it
and i think that from a performance point of view it is almost the
best you can get on a pc. And compared to java it is not much harder
to learn.

> BTW: If you are looking for more performance you might want to check
> out c++ (or delphi) and directx/opengl. I've done some things with it
> and i think that from a performance point of view it is almost the
> best you can get on a pc. And compared to java it is not much harder
> to learn.

But I need audience from the net browsers.
I think Java is installed on 80% webbrowsers. Thats ok to leave flash for a
fast game.

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aM

Rick D. wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I want to create a 3d 1st person shooter and am thinking about doing
> it in java because it is cross platform and supports opengl. My
> question is: can it be done speedwise and 3d-wise. In other words is
> java currently fast enough to create a 25+ fps 3d 1st person shooter
> with BOTS+AI, and how good/fast are the java 3d libs.
>
> Thanks in advance for any replies.
>

Someone ported the Quake 2 engine to Java and then did some benchmarks.
The original C code got 245 frames per second on the test machine. The
Java code got 241 frames per second on the same test machine.

Screenshots at http://www.bytonic.de/html/screenshots.html

- Nebu