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    Working on a friend's computer, an H-P laptop with XP home. For a couple
    of years their only problem was constant virus infestation, until I got
    them to move from IE to Firefox. All of a sudden, one day they developed
    a problem. One manifestation of that problem is certain sites, such as
    <http://www.gold-eagle.com/>, made the browser crash and disappear abruptly.
    I tracked the problem to the Sun Java and de-installed it; reloading that
    page showed everything fine except the Java applets. When I reinstalled
    Java fresh, the problem changed! Suddenly whatever -- not just that web
    site, but anything -- that loaded Java caused the computer to freeze for
    13 seconds out of 17, continuously, until the system was rebooted.

    I removed and reinstalled Java several times, reinstalling it in three
    ways (short download, long download, Firefox automatic installation), and
    most of the time I got the latter problem; occasionally I got the original
    problem.

    Right now I have Java deinstalled so they can use the computer without it
    locking up. I'd appreciate any solutions or debugging tips anyone might
    have.

    --
    Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Government officials and activists flying to Bali,
    Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause
    as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year.

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    On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:11:58 -0600, clifto wrote:

    > I reinstalled Java fresh, the problem changed! Suddenly whatever -- not
    > just that web site, but anything -- that loaded Java caused the computer
    > to freeze for 13 seconds out of 17, continuously, until the system was
    > rebooted.


    Have you considered it might be a bad JAVA program? People do write
    those. Also, unless you are certain that site is a trust worthy site,
    installing JAVA applets is asking for problems. In my opinion.

    With that all said, I would suggest uninstalling JAVA and FireFox.
    Reboot your computer. Run a Diskclean, then a SCANDISK followed by a
    DEFRAG. After that, restart the computer. THEN, install FireFox first,
    followed by JAVA. Restart the computer and see what happens.

    The only other thing I would do personally, but don't recommend novices
    doing, is going into the Windows registry (REGEDIT) after uninstalling
    everything and reboot, and looking for any JAVA reference and FireFox
    reference. Delete them. Reboot. However if you are not familiar with
    navigating the registry, I would say stay out of there.

    Good luck.

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    clifto <clifto@gmail.com> writes:
    >site, but anything -- that loaded Java caused the computer to freeze for
    >13 seconds out of 17, continuously, until the system was rebooted.


    I do not know whether this is related, but I have observed that
    under some Windows environments the SSV.DLL from the JRE's
    bin directory slows down opening each web page by about 500 to
    1000 ms.

    By deregistering this BHO (or simply by renaming the file), this
    can be avoided. (But this also might disable some JRE-related
    browser features, possibly the Java Console of the browser.)

    Unrelated to your question:

    Some installations also write about 100 MB of files to
    %Application Data%\Sun\Java\jdk1.7.0. When disc resources are
    narrow, this might be deleted, which also will disable some
    features, but most things will still work.

    Of course, none of these measures is recommended by Sun.


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    On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:11:58 -0600, clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote,
    quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :

    >Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Government officials and activists flying to Bali,
    >Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause
    >as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year.


    If the results of the conference don't generate reductions to
    compensate for that investment at least 1000 times over, mankind is
    doomed anyway.
    --
    Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
    The Java Glossary
    http://mindprod.com

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    On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:11:58 -0600, clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote,
    quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :

    >Right now I have Java deinstalled so they can use the computer without it
    >locking up. I'd appreciate any solutions or debugging tips anyone might
    >have.


    How much ram does this beast have? RAM-starved machines tend to crash
    frequently. Giving them more RAM clears up the problem. All manner of
    bugs show up more frequently without enough RAM.
    --
    Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
    The Java Glossary
    http://mindprod.com

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    Roedy Green wrote:
    > On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:11:58 -0600, clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>Right now I have Java deinstalled so they can use the computer without it
    >>locking up. I'd appreciate any solutions or debugging tips anyone might
    >>have.

    >
    > How much ram does this beast have? RAM-starved machines tend to crash
    > frequently. Giving them more RAM clears up the problem. All manner of
    > bugs show up more frequently without enough RAM.


    I believe it has 2 gigabytes. I'm almost positive nothing was installed on
    the computer (thus using more RAM than before) at or around the time the
    failure mode started.

    --
    Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Government officials and activists flying to Bali,
    Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause
    as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year.

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    "clifto" <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:fkta35-g62.ln1@remote.clifto.com...
    > Working on a friend's computer, an H-P laptop with XP home. For a couple
    > of years their only problem was constant virus infestation, until I got
    > them to move from IE to Firefox. All of a sudden, one day they developed
    > a problem. One manifestation of that problem is certain sites, such as
    > <http://www.gold-eagle.com/>, made the browser crash and disappear
    > abruptly.
    > I tracked the problem to the Sun Java and de-installed it; reloading that
    > page showed everything fine except the Java applets. When I reinstalled
    > Java fresh, the problem changed! Suddenly whatever -- not just that web
    > site, but anything -- that loaded Java caused the computer to freeze for
    > 13 seconds out of 17, continuously, until the system was rebooted.


    Try a different version of Java.



  8. Default Re: Installation problem, maybe

    On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:39:21 -0600, clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote,
    quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :

    >I believe it has 2 gigabytes. I'm almost positive nothing was installed on
    >the computer (thus using more RAM than before) at or around the time the
    >failure mode started.


    2 gig should be fine.

    Standard things:

    1. install all OS updates.

    2. do a reinstall of the OS. MS employees do this every month or so.
    In vista you can do a "repair" install that does not delete the
    registry and all your apps. If that does not work, try a clean
    install.

    3. try cleaning the registry of crud. see
    http://mindprod.com/jgloss/registrycleaner.html

    4. try cleaning out any questionable autostart programs. Autostart
    managers let you temporarily disable, to make sure there are not
    untoward side effects. http://mindprod.com/jgloss/autorunmanager.html

    5. try compacting the registry.
    http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/

    6. run a virus/malware scan.

    7. see my instructions on installing an testing JDK/JRE
    see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jdk.html
    http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jre.html
    --
    Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
    The Java Glossary
    http://mindprod.com

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