Innovation, my TSP algorithm and factoring, timelines

Christian wrote:
> I hate it to say but I am no longer open minded about the stuff JSH
> proposes and no longer willing to read any more bullocks here.

Once, one of the master Okami's students took a railroad journey across
America. At a small stop in Kansas, the train halted to take on water,
and the student got out to examine the local fauna. Seeing a steer, he
walked up to it, and said, "Do you have Buddha-nature?" The creature
replied "Moo?" At that moment, the student was enlightened.

--
John W. Kennedy
"Sweet, was Christ crucified to create this chat?"
-- Charles Williams. "Judgement at Chelmsford"

On Aug 25, 10:47*am, John W Kennedy <jwke...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> Christian wrote:
> > I hate it to say but I am no longer open minded about the stuff JSH
> > proposes and no longer willing to read any more bullocks here.
>
> Once, one of the master Okami's students took a railroad journey across
> America. At a small stop in Kansas, the train halted to take on water,
> and the student got out to examine the local fauna. Seeing a steer, he
> walked up to it, and said, "Do you have Buddha-nature?" The creature
> replied "Moo?" At that moment, the student was enlightened.

But maybe at the end of it, all humans are just dumb cows.

Will the species ever really get off this planet? Or will it boil
itself alive with global warming?

Will any of you have even the slightest clue of ultimate reality?

Or will you pride yourself on the emotion of belief without ever
knowing if you actually know anything solid at all, but maybe useful
fictions?

How do you know that everything you've ever been told isn't a lie?

You could be in a simulation of my creation, computer programs
convinced they are in a complex world because to you the richness you
see around you seems so great, when that is about the limitations of
your programming.

When in my world I can actually fly.

You people have no solid ground.

Because if that is true, then no matter what you do, no matter what
you say, how you live, how you love or believe you think, at any
moment I can simply flip a switch.

End.


James Harris

On Aug 22, 5:35*pm, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Turns out that there is a lag between pickup of any revolutionary idea
> and its presentation.
>
> I have research into the factoring problem which I think is kind of
> good, though I didn't actually finish an algorithm as I decided it was
> too dangerous. *Gist of that research was to consider two congruences
> where mathematicians typically consider one:
>
> x^2 = y^2 mod p
> z^2 = y^2 mod T
>
> where T is the target composite to be factored and p is an odd prime
> that I call a helper prime as it's just there to help you factor T. *I
> solved out the problem with a couple of additional variables as one of
> my key problem solving techniques involves adding in extra variables,
> or degrees of freedom as physics people like to say (I think as I'm a
> physics person).
>
> If I'm right then it turns out that I don't actually have to finish
> out the research but the time lag until someone does, if I'm right,
> would be anywhere from 6 months to 2 years which is kind of a W.A.G.
> but I think it's roughly correct.
>
> Now more recently I came up with an algorithm which I think solves the
> Traveling Salesman Problem and in so doing proves that P=NP, as
> naturally, from thinking I have a break on the factoring problem, I'd
> go to TSP looking to apply the same type techniques against it!
>
> And doing so I came up with two travelers where one is going backwards
> in time and you multiply the costs along legs times the distance
> between the two travelers to figure out the total cost of a path and
> pick the least cost path, using a global variable.
>
> Now THAT algorithm is a couple of weeks old but I've given a complete
> algorithm, so that should speed things up, so I'd estimate that it'd
> take from one month to a year before it's picked up somewhere in the
> world if it is correct.
>
> Which leaves me with nothing to do but wait.

The short of it is that they blocked everything.

I first went for "pure math" and when I had proofs there I was blocked
by a simple refusal of mathematicians to acknowledge the results, so I
branched out.

I created Class Viewer. I focused more towards concrete results, like
trying to popularize my prime counting function. I created a
definition of mathematical proof.

I worked on factoring and finally came to TSP, and I've realized that
I'm dealing with a situation where there is an absolute refusal to
acknowledge my research.

And the only saving grace is knowing that as the line of humanity, its
direction, moves against knowledge, things get worse.

But it's a class war and back in Old England if the nobility ever
faced a situation where it was either end their class system or have
their entire world suffer annihilation, I think they would have
everyone die.

These people appear to be set on not letting anything through.

The US and Britain are economic powers so flows of money had to be re-
routed around them, and competing currencies to the US dollar and
pound were needed.

Because my analysis has always been that presented with a situation
where the lies that they had turned from class structures to
democracies and middle class ways were outed that the US would
initiate World War III and try to annihilate the world versus allowing
a truly free society.

So then, what would the solution be given that assessment?

How do you de-nuke nuclear powers?

Good question.


James Harris

JSH <jstevh@gmail.com> writes:

> Because my analysis has always been that presented with a situation
> where the lies that they had turned from class structures to
> democracies and middle class ways were outed that the US would
> initiate World War III and try to annihilate the world versus allowing
> a truly free society.
>
> So then, what would the solution be given that assessment?
>
> How do you de-nuke nuclear powers?
>
> Good question.

You return to colonization, of course. Turkey annexes Jerusalem.
Germany and France split Austria. The U.S. gets Hong Kong.

Hillary runs as VP on McCain's ticket.

That sort of thing.

Mehran Basti has it all figured out, James. I know you're proud, but
dammit, you need his help this time. Reach out!

--
Jesse F. Hughes
"If the car stops and you're not getting out, then you have to start
it again." -- Quincy P. Hughes on his father's skills with a
manual transmission.

In article <d08cd73d-540b-47b3-afa9-022ec16a634f@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
JSH <jstevh@gmail.com> wrote:

>I worked on factoring and finally came to TSP, and I've realized that
>I'm dealing with a situation where there is an absolute refusal to
>acknowledge my research.

On the contrary, there were quite a few people on this newsgroup who
explored your ideas, tested them against various configurations, wrote
test harnesses, and ultimately found your ideas wanting (this was true
on sci.math as well. One person actually managed to get a paper from
the discussion that ensued when your ideas were kicked around, IIRC).
You, on the other hand, won't implement and test your algorithm because
it will start WWIII or crash the world finanical markets or cause bad
adult acne or whatever it is you think. The "absolute refusal" is
coming from you.

Alan
--
Defendit numerus

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:44:10 -0700 (PDT), JSH <jstevh@gmail.com>
wrote:

>I worked on factoring
You have indeed. You have not however yet factored an RSA number. Do
so and you will get credibility. Fail to do so and you will not.

>and finally came to TSP,
You did indeed. You have not however yet coded up you algorithm for
testing. Only when you have done so, and it has been shown to work
quickly, will you claims be accepted.

>and I've realized that
>I'm dealing with a situation where there is an absolute refusal to
>acknowledge my research.
We all acknowledge that you have done some research. We are doubtful
of the value of your research because you have not as yet factored any
large numbers (say more than 50 digits) and you have not shown us any
code for your TSP algorithm.

This is a Java group and as far as I can remember you have not posted
any working Java code relevant to your ideas on the TSP. Please do so
and we can heve a look at it and propose ways to speed it up.

rossum

JSH wrote:
> On Aug 25, 10:47 am, John W Kennedy <jwke...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> Christian wrote:
>>> I hate it to say but I am no longer open minded about the stuff JSH
>>> proposes and no longer willing to read any more bullocks here.
>> Once, one of the master Okami's students took a railroad journey across
>> America. At a small stop in Kansas, the train halted to take on water,
>> and the student got out to examine the local fauna. Seeing a steer, he
>> walked up to it, and said, "Do you have Buddha-nature?" The creature
>> replied "Moo?" At that moment, the student was enlightened.
>
> But maybe at the end of it, all humans are just dumb cows.
>
> Will the species ever really get off this planet? Or will it boil
> itself alive with global warming?
>
> Will any of you have even the slightest clue of ultimate reality?
>
> Or will you pride yourself on the emotion of belief without ever
> knowing if you actually know anything solid at all, but maybe useful
> fictions?
>
> How do you know that everything you've ever been told isn't a lie?
>
> You could be in a simulation of my creation, computer programs
> convinced they are in a complex world because to you the richness you
> see around you seems so great, when that is about the limitations of
> your programming.
>
> When in my world I can actually fly.
>
> You people have no solid ground.
>
> Because if that is true, then no matter what you do, no matter what
> you say, how you live, how you love or believe you think, at any
> moment I can simply flip a switch.
>
> End.

Well.

I had only intended a bit of silly wordplay anent Christian's
substitution of "bullocks" for "ballocks", but I seem to have hooked a
much bigger fish that I had set out my bait for. Can we all agree now
that JSH is simply delusional, killfile him, and let the matter go?
Frankly, I have to deal with enough newsgroups already where someone
thinks he's God.
--
John W. Kennedy
Having switched to a Mac in disgust at Microsoft's combination of
incompetence and criminality.

JSH wrote:
> I first went for "pure math" and when I had proofs there I was blocked
> by a simple refusal of mathematicians to acknowledge the results, so I
> branched out.

If you're talking about your result with the rings that you discussed
with the notable professor, from what you have told us of your actions
with said professor, I get the inclination that he didn't have the heart
to tell you that the key points of your work were factually incorrect.

> I worked on factoring and finally came to TSP, and I've realized that
> I'm dealing with a situation where there is an absolute refusal to
> acknowledge my research.

I, as well as numerous others, have looked at the algorithm and found it
wanting. The basic innovation seems... pointless, insufficient, but I'm
willing to accept that it might work. Yet it doesn't. Both algorithms,
and your extensions thereof, have been refuted by counterexamples.
Patricia gave you a program to test stuff with, and I extended it to be
easier to test (and am letting you use it).

Extrapolating from your factoring work to elsewhere, you seem to
generate an algorithm, other people show you it doesn't work, you refine
it a little, it still doesn't work, and then people give up when it
becomes clear that you are not going to put any work into attacking it.
At that point you declare it to be correct and are then surprised to
discover that people don't accept this fact. Read the story of the
little boy who cried wolf again, it's very similar.

To put it in perspective, it's like someone having a proof that 2 + 2 is
five, and then complaining when no one accepts it (equivalently, I could
cite you two separate "proofs" that 1 = 2).

> But it's a class war

Since when did class become involved? You can't be talking about classes
in terms of socioeconomic status. I'm assuming you referring to academic
status as a form of class, but, then again, I doubt anyone here or in
sci.math (or other newsgroups) would have the power to block publication
of something. And please, don't just spit back your retort about SWJPAM,
you have absolutely no support of that claim.

> The US and Britain are economic powers so flows of money had to be re-
> routed around them, and competing currencies to the US dollar and
> pound were needed.

And your point is? If you're trying to paint the euro has having been
created primarily as a counterpart to the USD, GBP, and yen (forgot that
one, didn't you), you have no insight into European history. The euro
was logical as the Europe harmonized economic systems, dating back
mostly to almost immediately post-WWII. May I recommend a course in
recent European history?

> Because my analysis has always been that presented with a situation
> where the lies that they had turned from class structures to
> democracies and middle class ways were outed that the US would
> initiate World War III and try to annihilate the world versus allowing
> a truly free society.

You should really talk to Dr. Mehran Basti on sci.math. He knows
solutions but doesn't seem to understand international affairs, and you
seem to be an international affairs major-cum-mathematician in search of
a solution.

<sarcasm>
I didn't know a mathematics degree was such good preparation for
international affairs (or domestic, for that matter)!
</sarcasm>

I could rebut for hours on end, but that just gets way too off topic.
Cut your philosophy and stick to the matters at hand, i.e., your
algorithms. Unless you're trying to make everyone's kill-list.

--
Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not
tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth

John W Kennedy schrieb:
> Well.
>
> I had only intended a bit of silly wordplay anent Christian's
> substitution of "bullocks" for "ballocks", but I seem to have hooked a
> much bigger fish that I had set out my bait for. Can we all agree now
> that JSH is simply delusional, killfile him, and let the matter go?
> Frankly, I have to deal with enough newsgroups already where someone
> thinks he's God.

Ah forgive me my my bad english. This substitution was not done on purpose.
And I was already wondering what your line of thought was with that comment.

Christian

On Aug 26, 12:48*pm, John W Kennedy <jwke...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> JSH wrote:
> > On Aug 25, 10:47 am, John W Kennedy <jwke...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> >> Christian wrote:
> >>> I hate it to say but I am no longer open minded about the stuff JSH
> >>> proposes and no longer willing to read any more bullocks here.
> >> Once, one of the master Okami's students took a railroad journey across
> >> America. At a small stop in Kansas, the train halted to take on water,
> >> and the student got out to examine the local fauna. Seeing a steer, he
> >> walked up to it, and said, "Do you have Buddha-nature?" The creature
> >> replied "Moo?" At that moment, the student was enlightened.
>
> > But maybe at the end of it, all humans are just dumb cows.
>
> > Will the species ever really get off this planet? *Or will it boil
> > itself alive with global warming?
>
> > Will any of you have even the slightest clue of ultimate reality?
>
> > Or will you pride yourself on the emotion of belief without ever
> > knowing if you actually know anything solid at all, but maybe useful
> > fictions?
>
> > How do you know that everything you've ever been told isn't a lie?
>
> > You could be in a simulation of my creation, computer programs
> > convinced they are in a complex world because to you the richness you
> > see around you seems so great, when that is about the limitations of
> > your programming.
>
> > When in my world I can actually fly.
>
> > You people have no solid ground.
>
> > Because if that is true, then no matter what you do, no matter what
> > you say, how you live, how you love or believe you think, at any
> > moment I can simply flip a switch.
>
> > End.
>
> Well.
>
> I had only intended a bit of silly wordplay anent Christian's
> substitution of "bullocks" for "ballocks", but I seem to have hooked a
> much bigger fish that I had set out my bait for. Can we all agree now
> that JSH is simply delusional, killfile him, and let the matter go?
> Frankly, I have to deal with enough newsgroups already where someone
> thinks he's God.


That's part of why I make those posts.

The rest is just the sheer fun of it.


___JSH