Java and history in the making

This is a discussion on Java and history in the making within the Java forums in Programming Languages category; I came to Java from C++ the way maybe a lot of developers did which was being on a project where I thought I'd do one language and being told I was to learn it because that was the language we were using. So I did. I learned Java and became a lead developer on the project and helped bring a new app into the world where far as I know it's still out there saving lives. But the language became key in my bigger struggle to find validation for my efforts when after playing with my own amateur mathematical ...

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Old 08-28-2008, 12:53 AM
JSH
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Default Java and history in the making

I came to Java from C++ the way maybe a lot of developers did which
was being on a project where I thought I'd do one language and being
told I was to learn it because that was the language we were using.
So I did. I learned Java and became a lead developer on the project
and helped bring a new app into the world where far as I know it's
still out there saving lives.

But the language became key in my bigger struggle to find validation
for my efforts when after playing with my own amateur mathematical
ideas, I was called names, like "subhuman" and crazy. When I had
strangers trying to find anything they could say to me in posts to be
as nasty as they could, because I was playing with my own math ideas.

Maybe there is something good that can come from hatred and
viciousness when responding to it is motivation to DO something that
can take you beyond people telling you that you are nothing that you
are a cretin that you are beneath contempt because you're trying to do
your amateur mathematical research.

And I made Class Viewer, put it on SourceForge and as its ranking went
up, I could say, yeah, I can do something. I can MAKE something
despite what these math people are telling me. Something they can
see, as I hadn't learned yet to repudiate the negative judgments.
After all, for my research to be accepted, didn't I need acceptance
from the mathematicians?

I NEEDED it because I'd found what I thought were proofs, and could
explain them in detail, but these people said I was wrong, and that
they were the experts, and that I was crazy. So I thought, maybe I
am. What if I am?

I know. I'll make something and see.

And I could write my prime counting function, which I did in Java, and
see those counts of prime numbers to verify against known counts, and
see the same people hurling insults, still. And I could see and show,
though they never missed a beat. Facts meant nothing to them.
Demonstration was meaningless...but wait, I was published! But they
fought against my paper after publication. The journal SWJPAM died.
Where could I go? What could I do?

Where was the world? So connected, through the Internet, but where
was the world?

I saw newspaper articles proclaiming greatness for people I knew were
wrong, and they ate it up.

They cheered each other, and I knew what it was for people to be wrong
together, for the victory of popular belief.

Posters here believe that I talk about Google rankings to brag.

Nope.

I talk about the concrete to have a hold on my sense of my own sanity.

To say that there IS something concrete beyond what people say because
people can lie.

You can sit back and think this story is not about you, but it would
be you, if you found something that certain people didn't want known
and they could just get together and say, no.

The mathematical community today has problems. Those problems seen
first by me in those insults hurled at me just for trying, and now in
the denial of proof, or even the definition of mathematical proof.

But the concrete remains so I have comfort in it.

I have my open source Java project on SourceForge. It is my Class
Viewer that does some simple things, but I think it does them well,
and no math person can ever call me crazy or subhuman ever, and it
completely stick.

Though they still try.

No matter how hard they try and they have tried for so many years, I
am human. I am not sub. I am not second class. They are not better
than me no matter how many of them think they are no matter how many
of them claim themselves to be. No matter how many of you do either.

And I try. And I fail. But I will not just be told that I am wrong.

Their efforts in the psychological campaign to rip my humanity from
me, to destroy my sense of self, my sense of my own sanity by breaking
their own rules and the most basic rules of human decency have failed
because of machines.

My computer doesn't care what you say, what you think or how wrong you
are because when I write a program if that program is correct then my
computer does the right thing.

If only people consistently did the right thing.

If only proof were enough.

But people can lie. So the program is the thing.

I call my latest research the optimal path engine. Some may have
noticed that you might call it the Harris optimal path engine. And if
you take those first letters, you have HOPE.

The best path is the one that takes you beyond yourself and beyond
your dreams to see the world as it truly is, not even as you wish it
to be.

And to stand not just on the shoulders of greats, but to stand next to
them, shoulder to shoulder, mind to mind, heart to heart,
understanding that the pursuit of truth is the greatest art of them
all.

I think that's kind of poetic, so I guess I'll post it. After all,
why not? It's not like it really matters what people say to me.

I think I've heard just about every nasty thing people can muster.


James Harris
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Old 08-28-2008, 03:44 AM
willo_thewisp@hotmail.com
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Default Re: Java and history in the making

On Aug 28, 12:53*am, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I came to Java from C++ the way maybe a lot of developers did which
> was being on a project where I thought I'd do one language and being
> told I was to learn it because that was the language we were using.
> So I did. *I learned Java and became a lead developer on the project
> and helped bring a new app into the world where far as I know it's
> still out there saving lives.
>

But James, if the project was so successful, why did Alltel fire you
for gross incompetence back in 2002?
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Old 08-28-2008, 03:52 AM
willo_thewisp@hotmail.com
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On Aug 28, 12:53*am, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I was called names, like "subhuman" and crazy. *
>

Of course, this is unfair. You are not subhuman. You are just a
particularly stupid human. For example, you are apparently too stupid
to understand the simple counterexamples that have been posted and re-
posted to show your "optimal path" algorithm doesn't work.
>

The counterexamples are extremely simple. People who can't understand
extremely simple things are extremely stupid. James cannot understand
the counterexamples. Therefore James is extremely stupid.
>

Were you able to follow that? Or were you too stupid?
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Old 08-28-2008, 07:50 AM
Joshua Cranmer
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JSH wrote:
[ A lot of philosophy. ]

Really now, why post to c.l.j.p if you're not going to talk about Java
beyond "I wrote X in Java once"? There's not even a shred of on-topic
conversation in said message.

--
Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not
tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth
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Old 08-28-2008, 08:05 AM
bugbear
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JSH wrote:
> I call my latest research the optimal path engine. Some may have
> noticed that you might call it the Harris optimal path engine.


Excellent. Since your algorithm can be expressed
in a few paragraphs (which I admit to
not understanding), a simple (non optimised) java
implementation (one might term it transcription)
should take you a few days.

If you want suggestions on a useful API
for such a thing, I'm sure this group
will be happy to help.

The wider community can then test it against
known cases, and compare it against
other implementations.

Any superior solution to path analysis
will be rapidly adopted by industry,
since they have a pure (!!!) profit motive,
and many real world problems can be represented
in terms of paths (and hence solved by path
analysis).

BugBear (not holding his breath)
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Old 08-28-2008, 07:21 PM
Lits O'Hate
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On Aug 28, 12:53 am, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe there is something good that can come from hatred and
> viciousness when responding to it is motivation to DO something that
> can take you beyond people telling you that you are nothing that you
> are a cretin that you are beneath contempt because you're trying to do
> your amateur mathematical research.


Is your comma key broken? Did you spill beer on it?

> The mathematical community today has problems.


Is this what you meant when you wrote, "I will no longer rant
against mathematicians, math society, or 'math people', as I've
done in the past?"

> My computer doesn't care what you say, what you think or how wrong you
> are because when I write a program if that program is correct then my
> computer does the right thing.


Awesome! When are you going to write your TSP solution or
your factoring solution?

When was the last time you wrote anything?

> I call my latest research the optimal path engine. Some may have
> noticed that you might call it the Harris optimal path engine. And if
> you take those first letters, you have HOPE.


For the best performance you're going to need a distributed version.
You know, a Distributed Optimal Path Engine. A DOPE.

> the pursuit of truth is the greatest art of them all.


But you're not interested in the truth. You won't code your
TSP or factoring algorithms because, "Well, they might be wrong!
And I don't want the disappointment if so!"

> I think I've heard just about every nasty thing people can muster.


While you, on the other hand, have displayed nothing but the
pinacle of decorum.

--
"Now why don't you take your dumb ass stupid self somewhere
to GET A FUCKING CLUE and QUIT FUCKING REPLYING TO ME AS IF
I EVER WANT TO TALK TO YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK OFF!!!! Can't
you get it through your stupid head?" -- James Harris
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Old 08-28-2008, 07:41 PM
Arne Vajhøj
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JSH wrote:
> I came to Java from C++ the way maybe a lot of developers did which
> was being on a project where I thought I'd do one language and being
> told I was to learn it because that was the language we were using.
> So I did. I learned Java and became a lead developer on the project
> and helped bring a new app into the world where far as I know it's
> still out there saving lives.
>
> But the language became key in my bigger struggle to find validation
> for my efforts when after playing with my own amateur mathematical
> ideas, I was called names, like "subhuman" and crazy.



> Where was the world? So connected, through the Internet, but where
> was the world?
>
> I saw newspaper articles proclaiming greatness for people I knew were
> wrong, and they ate it up.
>
> They cheered each other, and I knew what it was for people to be wrong
> together, for the victory of popular belief.


> The mathematical community today has problems. Those problems seen
> first by me in those insults hurled at me just for trying, and now in
> the denial of proof, or even the definition of mathematical proof.


> If only people consistently did the right thing.
>
> If only proof were enough.
>
> But people can lie. So the program is the thing.
>
> I call my latest research the optimal path engine. Some may have
> noticed that you might call it the Harris optimal path engine. And if
> you take those first letters, you have HOPE.


What about stopping posting here until you have some Java code
to post ?

Arne
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