Here, let's see what you JavaScript programmers have got

On Aug 22, 11:11*am, Lasse Reichstein Nielsen <l...@hotpop.com> wrote:

> Also, many, many users of Javascript on web-pages are not programmers.
> They rarely try big programs (and good for them, since it's almost
> inevitable that they would fail), so again, their questions are
> solved by small snippets of code.

Are you talking to me?

Seriously, this is true (although personally I have done some larger
stuff). And in fact, I believe JavaScript was created so that non-
professionals could get some benefit from it.

And this new guy is funny. The combination of not being very good at
English and not being the JavaScript expert he thinks he is has made
for much lolz the last few days.

On Aug 22, 9:11*am, Lasse Reichstein Nielsen <l...@hotpop.com> wrote:

> *DHTML Death Colors: <URL:http://www.infimum.dk/HTML/rasterTriangleDOM.html>

That is pretty neat. This one is even better:

http://www.infimum.dk/HTML/rotatingStar.html

Peter

On Aug 22, 2:33*pm, Peter Michaux <petermich...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 22, 9:11*am, Lasse Reichstein Nielsen <l...@hotpop.com> wrote:
>
> > *DHTML Death Colors: <URL:http://www.infimum.dk/HTML/rasterTriangleDOM.html>
>
> That is pretty neat. This one is even better:
>
> http://www.infimum.dk/HTML/rotatingStar.html
>
> Peter

Indeed Lasse Reichstein Nielsen has some neat stuff, that
could be shared in the new group. The star does
not seem to be cross-platform, though.

lorlarz <lorlarz@gmail.com> wrote in
news:cd70e4a2-38b7-4d44-9f5b-965bc063791e@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com:

> On Aug 21, 10:07*pm, Mike Duffy <resp...@newsgroup.only> wrote:
>> lorlarz <lorl...@gmail.com> wrote in news:a2b53289-abca-4b0c-9f91-
>> fbc1586d3...@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > On Aug 21, 8:43*am, lorlarz <lorl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Here, let's see what you JavaScript programmers have got
>>
>> >> Here is a place to share your large or larger full-blown
>> >> JavaScript applications:
>> >> real.comp.lang.js.apps *(a new google group)
>>
>> >> Here is the description of this open public newsgroup:
>> >> A place where good full-length, full-featured, pure (or near-pure)
>> >> JavaScript large and larger applications are described and their
>> >> code shared and explained. *The language used for browser programs
>> >> should be all javascript. With some programs a little php or other
>> >> cgi may of course be involved.
>>
>> I am curious about what constitutes a "large" or even "larger
>> full-blown" application. My understanding of javascript is that it is
>> used more to create several small programs that appear here and there
>> on a website. Fo
> r
>> sure, they can be linked somewhat using cookies and form values, but
>> give
> n
>> the limitations (i.e. no filesystem i/o, no network i/o except back
>> to th
> e
>> same server, etc), the applications tend to be small.
>>
>> So, out of idle curiosity, I went to the web site you mentioned, but
>> I di
> d
>> not see any javascript applications of any size. I even tried the
>> link in your "motivation" message that is supposed to showcase your
>> work:
>>
>> xttp://nottoolate.info
>>
>> This simply re-directed me to:
>>
>> xttp://mynichecomputing.com/digitallearning/
>>
>> Still no javascript. (Note: I have changed http to xttp in my post to
>> prevent anyone else from accidentally wasting his time.)
>
> Did you expect the programs to be right on the
> home page? What a jerK!! Look for links.

I did look for links but alas, could not find any.

Why not post a few showing a few of your glorious megalithic application?

On Aug 22, 4:24*pm, Mike Duffy <resp...@newsgroup.only> wrote:
> lorlarz <lorl...@gmail.com> wrote innews:cd70e4a2-38b7-4d44-9f5b-965bc063791e@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 21, 10:07*pm, Mike Duffy <resp...@newsgroup.only> wrote:
> >> lorlarz <lorl...@gmail.com> wrote in news:a2b53289-abca-4b0c-9f91-
> >> fbc1586d3...@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> > On Aug 21, 8:43*am, lorlarz <lorl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Here, let's see what you JavaScript programmers have got
>
> >> >> Here is a place to share your large or larger full-blown
> >> >> JavaScript applications:
> >> >> real.comp.lang.js.apps *(a new google group)
>
> >> >> Here is the description of this open public newsgroup:
> >> >> A place where good full-length, full-featured, pure (or near-pure)
> >> >> JavaScript large and larger applications are described and their
> >> >> code shared and explained. *The language used for browser programs
> >> >> should be all javascript. With some programs a little php or other
> >> >> cgi may of course be involved.
>
> >> I am curious about what constitutes a "large" or even "larger
> >> full-blown" application. My understanding of javascript is that it is
> >> used more to create several small programs that appear here and there
> >> on a website. Fo
> > r
> >> sure, they can be linked somewhat using cookies and form values, but
> >> give
> > n
> >> the limitations (i.e. no filesystem i/o, no network i/o except back
> >> to th
> > e
> >> same server, etc), the applications tend to be small.
>
> >> So, out of idle curiosity, I went to the web site you mentioned, but
> >> I di
> > d
> >> not see any javascript applications of any size. I even tried the
> >> link in your "motivation" message that is supposed to showcase your
> >> work:
>
> >> xttp://nottoolate.info
>
> >> This simply re-directed me to:
>
> >> xttp://mynichecomputing.com/digitallearning/
>
> >> Still no javascript. (Note: I have changed http to xttp in my post to
> >> prevent anyone else from accidentally wasting his time.)
>
> > Did you expect the programs to be right on the
> > home page? *What a jerK!! *Look for links.
>
> I did look for links but alas, could not find any.
>
> Why not post a few showing a few of your glorious megalithic application?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I really don't know how you can't identify links (they
are BLUE, as they so often are)

One link in the _heading_ at the top of the main page is:

http://mynichecomputing.com/GuideInf...niversalDD.htm

that program provides a link to
http://mynichecomputing.com/ReadIt/translateT.html

And, another major link on the digitallearning site's main
page is http://mynichecomputing.com/linkGuider/
which itself is direct link to a little application plus
there are links to many others from that page.

lorlarz <lorlarz@gmail.com> wrote in
news:904cbb01-665b-4f4c-bd14-69e6dc709009@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

> On Aug 22, 4:24*pm, Mike Duffy <resp...@newsgroup.only> wrote:
>> lorlarz <lorl...@gmail.com> wrote
>> innews:cd70e4a2-38b7-4d44-9f5b-965bc063
> 791e@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 21, 10:07*pm, Mike Duffy <resp...@newsgroup.only> wrote:
>> >> lorlarz <lorl...@gmail.com> wrote in news:a2b53289-abca-4b0c-9f91-
>> >> fbc1586d3...@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
>>

Thanks. I think I saw the link, but it was not identified as javascript-
specfic. About the same time I noticed the section asking new users to
register, and I assumed you were another one of those miscreants that want
an email address to SPAM in order to give out the promised goods. Please
accept my apologies.

My impression of the example you have given (UniversalDD) is that depending
on the level of familiarity with the technology, most people will fall into
one of the two categories:

1) Will not understand what you are asking for in the forms. With no hand-
holding examples, such a person will also not know what to do with the
resultant HTML.

2) Has an example or perhaps a collection of his own stuff he is familiar
with already in his own "style".

For sure, what you have will be helpful for those currently in transition
between the two categories. I suggest you take the time to add more to the
example. (I.e. you do not need more examples. A lot of people will benefit
immdediately as it is, but some people are not very computer-savvy.)

lorlarz <lorlarz@gmail.com> wrote in
news:97bac227-0c68-4f76-bb76-34cd39b24efb@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:


>
> The above understanding of JavaScript is precisely what I know
> is wrong, and several (including myself) have proven it wrong.
> There is the capability for full programs ... IN JAVASCRIPT.

> The fact that there are those still who do not even realize
> this is sad and is why the new google group has been started.


Check out my javascript phone poem generator. Go to:

http://pages.videotron.com/duffym/poetry.htm

and take the exam at the bottom of the page.

Lasse Reichstein Nielsen wrote:
> Also, many, many users of Javascript on web-pages are not programmers.
> They rarely try big programs (and good for them, since it's almost
> inevitable that they would fail), so again, their questions are
> solved by small snippets of code.

This is exactly me. I see something small, perhaps insignificant, on my
webpage and realise it can be improved with a little Javascript. It's
like seeing a board loose in a fence, finding a nail (Javascript) and a
hammer (my editor) and fixing it. Not much effort, but a lot of
satisfaction (when I get it to work). I'm picking up Javascript skills
as I go along. If I live long enough (10,000 years might do) then I'll
be writing operating systems in Javascript. :-)


--
Steve Swift
http://www.swiftys.org.uk/swifty.html
http://www.ringers.org.uk

On Aug 22, 10:38*am, Michael Wojcik <mwoj...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> lorlarz wrote:
>
> > Let's get beyond this. *Beyond the basic language and problems
> > of its use and get to somethings interesting:
> >http://groups.google.com/group/realcomplangjsapps
>
> That would require using Google Groups, so as far as I'm concerned
> it's right out.
>
> I'm not sure why I'd need or want another forum to discuss ECMAScript
> programs just because they're "large" or "interesting"; if they're
> *that* interesting, they'll probably be appearing in a conference
> presentation or publication or the like. But in any case, I'm
> definitely not going to use the asinine interface of Google Groups for
> the purpose.
>
> --
> Michael Wojcik
> Micro Focus
> Rhetoric & Writing, Michigan State University

I know may academics think like you do. Many others do not.
I would encourage everyone to read the first 6 or so posts
to the http://groups.google.com/group/realcomplangjsapps group
to see that there is a rationale for such a group.

Regarding Rationale:
One big concern is that the actual JavaScript and the elementals
of the language never get "lost". And, I am concerned that the
library users explain what the libraries they use are doing,
so all of us know.

Second, the group can thusly, at the same time, provide a
showcase for us to compare and judge the libraries (YUI, dojo,
jQuery, prototype et al, Mootools, etc.) for their qualities
and differences. Those are some of the main elements of the
rationale for the group and it makes sense to me.

I, myself, am not the group. If ever a well-known are respected
person wanted to take over as "owner", I would be glad to
turn it over.

On Aug 22, 10:38*am, Michael Wojcik <mwoj...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> lorlarz wrote:
>
> > Let's get beyond this. *Beyond the basic language and problems
> > of its use and get to somethings interesting:
> >http://groups.google.com/group/realcomplangjsapps
>
> That would require using Google Groups, so as far as I'm concerned
> it's right out.
>
> I'm not sure why I'd need or want another forum to discuss ECMAScript
> programs just because they're "large" or "interesting"; if they're
> *that* interesting, they'll probably be appearing in a conference
> presentation or publication or the like. But in any case, I'm
> definitely not going to use the asinine interface of Google Groups for
> the purpose.
>
> --
> Michael Wojcik
> Micro Focus
> Rhetoric & Writing, Michigan State University

I know may academics think like you do. Many others do not.
I would encourage everyone to read the first 6 or so posts
to the http://groups.google.com/group/realcomplangjsapps group
to see that there is a rationale for such a group.

Regarding Rationale:
One big concern is that the actual JavaScript and the elementals
of the language never get "lost". And, I am concerned that the
library users explain what the libraries they use are doing,
so all of us know.


Second, the group can thusly, at the same time, provide a
showcase for us to compare and judge the libraries (YUI, dojo,
jQuery, prototype et al, Mootools, etc.) for their qualities
and differences. Those are some of the main elements of the
rationale for the group and it makes sense to me.


I, myself, am not the group. If ever a well-known and respected
person wanted to take over as "owner", I would be glad to
turn it over.