Job Market for Lisp and Haskell programmers, serious question.

Jon Harrop <jon@ffconsultancy.com> wrote on Fri, 22 Aug 2008:
> xahlee@gmail.com wrote:

Fabulous! I was hoping you might pop up on this thread.

Xah, meet Jon. Jon, Xah.

Xah: Jon is a huge fan of OCaml and F#, knows little about Common Lisp, but
loves posting on this newsgroup specifically to insult CL fans.

Jon: Xah is a huge fan of Wikipedia, possibly of Emacs Lisp, knows little
about Common Lisp, but loves posting on this newsgroup specifically to insult
CL fans.

I suspect you two will have much to talk about with each other. Between the
two of you, you ought to be able to keep this thread going for months.

All we need is a new brilliant analogy from Kenny, to put the Xah-Jon
conversation in context.

-- Don
__________________________________________________ _____________________________
Don Geddis http://don.geddis.org/ don@geddis.org
We should have a Volleyballocracy. We elect a six-pack of presidents.
Each one serves until they screw up, at which point they rotate.
-- Dennis Miller

Don Geddis wrote:
> Jon Harrop <jon@ffconsultancy.com> wrote on Fri, 22 Aug 2008:
>
>>xahlee@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Fabulous! I was hoping you might pop up on this thread.
>
> Xah, meet Jon. Jon, Xah.
>
> Xah: Jon is a huge fan of OCaml and F#, knows little about Common Lisp, but
> loves posting on this newsgroup specifically to insult CL fans.
>
> Jon: Xah is a huge fan of Wikipedia, possibly of Emacs Lisp, knows little
> about Common Lisp, but loves posting on this newsgroup specifically to insult
> CL fans.
>
> I suspect you two will have much to talk about with each other. Between the
> two of you, you ought to be able to keep this thread going for months.
>
> All we need is a new brilliant analogy from Kenny, to put the Xah-Jon
> conversation in context.

Poor Don. He sees Lincoln and Bush are both US Presidents and thinks
they will have /anything/ to talk about.

Meanwhile, Xah cannot insult anyone because he insults everyone so it is
not an insult, just a measure of his frustration.

Have you people learned nothing from My Presence?

kzo

Kenny wrote:
> xahlee@gmail.com wrote:
>> Anyway, i gather you know more about sports
>> stadiums than me (of which people are talking about in my olympics
>> question). What do you think of the Olympics questions?
>
>
> I have not heard any analysis of the cost and benefit, but cities sure
> do compete (and bribe) like crazy to get the games. The cost must be
> hard to assess because stadia live on after the games so the cost must
> be amortized over time. Same I think with housing and rail transport in
> and around the games -- those are all planned to serve as permanent new
> infrastructure.
>
> Sometimes the Games are the debutante ball for a nation, ironic in this
> case because of China's long history, but in the micro view there has
> also been a long isolation and 2008 must be to them the coming out
> party. In hindsight China might think, wow, look where we are now
> economically, we did not need these games to win global mindshare. But
> competition to host the games starts ten years earlier so it really is
> hindsight and anyway there is more than money at stake here.
>
> Listening to person/street interviews on TV and in the past to friends
> from China, my sense is that the Chinese are a proud people and very
> protective of their nation and very much concerned with how the world
> sees them. They are a great economic power now and long have been a
> great civilization but the West still looks at them as a bunch of
> peasants ruled by Tianneman Square crushing Commies.
>
> China wants a new passport photo.

Hmmm, this sounds more compelling, and is from someone who unlike me
seems actually to know what he is talking about:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/148997

kt
--
http://www.theoryyalgebra.com/

Tim X wrote:

> My mistake. I took your other claims of wanting to educate, teach and
> open the eyes of 'tech geekers' as genuine. I didn't realise you were
> deliberately trying to be annoying and offensive.

My “deliberately trying to be annoying and offensive�, as you put it,
can be likened to, say, the beautiful pussy Hypathia. She got dragged
naked to death by the Christans.

You can see a naked picture of her at:
http://xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_di..._Mitchell.html

> I don't understand why you feel its an achievement to be a troll. There
> is little skill in achieving such a badge - in fact, many achieve it
> without wanting to or even trying.

i can't say it's a achievement or not. It's odd to even think of it
that way. In fact, the very existance of the concept, and the term,
“troll�, i take to be socially damaging. For detail, see:

“On Ignoring Trolls� (2002) by Xah Lee.
http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/w...ignorance.html

Quote:

«
I'll find a day to massacre them all,
And raze their faction and their family...
—William Shakespeare, in Titus Andronicus

magic a scissor i wish
so sharp and so cross
so that i can chop
chop off brainless heads

i would like to swing
a giant ax swing
off with their heads
of priests and deans

evil wish i be
hatred i behold
the righteous and the main
torture with no death
befalls to them

— Xah Lee
»


Tim wrote:
«I wouldn't bother. As I stated before, I believed you were genuine in
your claims to want to enducate and teach. I'm not interested in
helping you stroke your ego or feed your fantasies regarding being
some sort of usernet 'celebrity'. I will often give people the benefit
of the doubt, which may mean I'm more naive than I should be, but I
now know better. Thanks for at least coming clean and making your true
motives clear.»

O Tim, ease up on painting me.

Check out this article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master-slave_morality

quote:
«Master morality weighs actions on a scale of good or bad consequences
unlike slave morality which weighs actions on a scale of good or evil
intentions. »

Xah
∑ http://xahlee.org/

☄

xahlee@gmail.com wrote:
> Tim X wrote:
>
>
>>My mistake. I took your other claims of wanting to educate, teach and
>>open the eyes of 'tech geekers' as genuine. I didn't realise you were
>>deliberately trying to be annoying and offensive.
>
>
> My “deliberately trying to be annoying and offensive�, as you put it,
> can be likened to, say, the beautiful pussy Hypathia. She got dragged
> naked to death by the Christans.

Oh those whacky Christians. I missed that bit in her biography when I
was building the medal set for the Algebra software.

Not good.

>
> You can see a naked picture of her at:
> http://xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_di..._Mitchell.html
>

That will make a better medal.

kt
---
http://www.theoryyalgebra.com/

Kenny Tilton wrote:
> Hmmm, this sounds more compelling, and is from someone who unlike me
> seems actually to know what he is talking about:
>
> http://www.newsweek.com/id/148997

Kenny brought us this article:

“China’s Agony of Defeat�
(It's impossible to understand what the Games mean to the Chinese
without understanding their history of humiliation.)
By Orville Schell, NEWSWEEK, Updated: 2:38 PM ET Jul 26, 2008
http://www.newsweek.com/id/148997/output/print

-----------------------

I general, i guess that is a applaudable effort of a westerner writing
to write fair. At least, it's better than some of the propagada styled
news about 2008 beijing olympics i've seen recently.

Here's some comments.

For a satire artwork of cutting China as a pie in the early 1900s by
UK, Germany, Russia, France, Japan, see bottom of:

★ Misc Satirical Artwork
http://xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_dir/lacru/sat.html

For a commentary of a song that describes Chinese's war-time era
roughly early 1900 to mid 1900, see:

★ 花æ*·çš„å¹´å�Ž (Age of Blossom)
http://xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_di...nian2hua2.html

the article wrote:
«One official raged that the gentle Dalai Lama was "a monster with a
human face, but the heart of a beast."»


... See this Excerpt:

* The Nobel prize's reason for giving peace prize to Dalai Lama
contradict facts. The Dalai Lama used violence in part with USA
support, and also used torture to control serfs.

* US's CIA has supplied weapons and trained guerrilla fighters to
aid Tibet in rebelling the Chinese government.

* The Dalai Lama is religiously selected as a reincarnation of
previous Lama. When the 13th Dalai Lama died, he seems to look towards
North East, and that's how the 14th Dalai Lama was found in Qinghai↗
(province) by the high ranking monks.

* Tibet is a theocracy. 5% high-ranking monks and landowners rules
the rest and owns the majority of properties and resources. Some 90%
are serfs and slaves (lowest caste; farmer slaves).

* The Tibetan Buddhism is a deviant Buddhism. It started about 7th
century.

* Tibet is a one of the most dark place. A serf's birth are
registered, they are serf for life. Serfs have to pay “body redemption
fee� in order to get married. Serfs can borrow money or raw food from
landlords, but with exorbitant interest (20% to 30% annual), and gave
documented cases in which serf took a few generations to pay back.

* Under 14th Dalai Lama's rule, 98% of populace are illiterate
(and ignorant). They would fight to eat Lama's shit as medicine. (the
Potala Palace↗ has a hole (instead of a toilet) for the Lama to
defecate, for the purpose of devotees to catch the holy shit)

* Historically, until Chinese communist entered Tibet in mid
1990s, Tibet rulers for thousand years use hard core torture to
control the serfs, including flaying, maiming, gouging eyes, and death
by scorpion, dissolving hand... etc unusual torture methods that
either kills or cripple the victim. Example: Human's bone are made as
trumpets, and skulls as bowels. Also a example: landlord has a 12 or
13 years-old girl serve as a treat to house guests, used as rape
victim.

* It is Chiang Kai-shek↗ who is the starting culprit for the Tibet
Independence movement, as a strategy to overthrow the Communist Party.
He also betrayed Chinese in 1945 by singing agreement with Russian
that made Mongolia↗ independent.

* Many ignorant in Taiwan and Western countries, follows Tibet
movement or Dalai Lama (such as reincarnation), also including some US
entertainment celebrities including Richard Gere and Steven Segal.

* Only the Chinese Communist Party, was able and have solved the
Tibet problem. In 1951, and 1959, they abolished the serf system,
outlawed torture and dismantled torture cells. And notably in 2007 by
opening the railway that goes into Lhasa, the heart of Tibet. (the
Qingzang railway↗)

Following is a quote from Bertrand Russell↗ in Has Religion Made
Useful Contributions to Civilization?:

What is true of Christianity is equally true of Buddhism. The
Buddha was amiable and enlightened; on his deathbed he laughed at his
disciples for supposing that he was immortal. But the Buddhist
priesthood — as it exists, for example, in Tibet — has been
obscurantist, tyrannous, and cruel in the highest degree.

---------------------------------------------

above from:

★ Li Ao on Tibet and Dalai Lama
http://xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_dir/tibet.html

Xah
∑ http://xahlee.org/

☄

On Aug 16, 9:23*pm, "xah...@gmail.com" <xah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Xah Lee wrote:

>
> Writing, is kinda therapeutic to me, and is so to perhaps most
> professional writers. In the past 10+ years, most of my newsgroup
> posts are carefully crafted to sting the tech geeking morons and
> illustrate their moronicity.

So you admit you are a total ass with a nasty attitude and agenda.
Great. Thanks for clearing that up. You have removed any doubt
whatsoever that you are being misjudged or judged too harshly. I
shall henceforth now waste one precious moment reading anything you
write or its repercussions on others. Good bye ugly life wasting
troll.

samantha wrote:
> On Aug 16, 9:23 pm, "xah...@gmail.com" <xah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Xah Lee wrote:
>
>
>>Writing, is kinda therapeutic to me, and is so to perhaps most
>>professional writers. In the past 10+ years, most of my newsgroup
>>posts are carefully crafted to sting the tech geeking morons and
>>illustrate their moronicity.
>
>
> So you admit you are a total ass with a nasty attitude and agenda.

You make that sound like a bad thing.

Meanwhile, Xah just enunciated the same policy as Jesus of Nazareth,
Martin Luther, Martin Luther King, Lenny Bruce, and George Carlin. Your
interpretation may be a tad subcharitable.

kt

On 23 ago, 22:32, Kenny <kentil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> samantha wrote:
> > On Aug 16, 9:23 pm, "xah...@gmail.com" <xah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>Writing, is kinda therapeutic to me, and is so to perhaps most
> >>professional writers. In the past 10+ years, most of my newsgroup
> >>posts are carefully crafted to sting the tech geeking morons and
> >>illustrate their moronicity.
>
> > So you admit you are a total ass with a nasty attitude and agenda.
>
> You make that sound like a bad thing.
>
> Meanwhile, Xah just enunciated the same policy as Jesus of Nazareth,
> Martin Luther, Martin Luther King, Lenny Bruce, and George Carlin. Your
> interpretation may be a tad subcharitable.

They had noble goals, Xah doesn't. (well, in the case of Carlin,
making people laugh is a noble goal)

What are his goals? To get emacs to behave like notepad and to get
rid of Lisp's comments and syntatic sugar in badly written, pointless
and incoherent "essays". That's laughable, in a bad sense. It could
be funny, except for all the insults.

And it only gets worse when he seems unaware he's not as bright as he
portrays himself: he looks like the only "tech geeker moron" around.

Kenny wrote:
> Meanwhile, Xah just enunciated the same policy as Jesus of Nazareth,
> Martin Luther, Martin Luther King, Lenny Bruce, and George Carlin. Your
> interpretation may be a tad subcharitable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenny_Bruce
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Carlin

interesting guys. Didn't know about them before.

speaking of interesting guys, recently i was reading:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Leary

and a while back i read about
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lennon

at least today fucking in the ass and cock sucking is not a crime most
states.

Xah
∑ http://xahlee.org/

☄