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On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:15:20 -0400, "Murray *ACE*"
<forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote:

>WebAssist has that cold. Have you looked?

I have - but all those packages seem to be priced at about $200 or
more than Dw upgrade and not being a professional - it's outside the
budget.

As I've said before - if you add up all these useful Extra's you could
spend $600 or more just on add on's and unless you do lots of sites
are uneconomic

If these packages were a reasonable price such as £50
or so we might be able to budget for it.


Given that Adobe gave us all these extra Spry features that are
largely useless or superfluous ( I'm quoting others around here - :-))
I haven't bothered with them ) - it's a mystery what they haven't
added some really useful php behaviours. :-)




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~Malcolm~*...
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On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:39:51 -0400, "Al Sparber - PVII"
<pviiteam@projectSPAseven.com> wrote:

>"Malcolm _" <malcom@mon.org> wrote in message
>news:viglb4h2bitmfh77kqui78mg2eludlemfm@4ax.com.. .
>>
>> Having read all the support for PVII - they don't do something which I
>> think would be really useful.
>>
>> A php / MySQL login / session system to enable people to log into a
>> site - or part of a site - and is very secure ?
>>
>>
>> I know it is discussed here often - and I've read Dave Powers
>> excellent books that describe setting up a site.
>>
>> Although I'm fairly happy working with some php - I and I know others
>> would really like an automated or semi automated system - like PVII's
>> menu system etc - that we can confidently use - knowing we can adapt
>> and maintain with the backing of a company such as PVII .
>
>This is in ASP, but is this what you mean?
>http://www.projectseven.com/PMM_dyna...dit/modify.asp


Sorry Al - I don't understand what that is !!

Looks like one of your menu systems - but are you saying it's got
security features ?
and allows people to set up accounts ?

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~Malcolm~*...
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DW gives you all the tools you need to do this:

Authenticate user/Navigate Recordsets/Inset - Delete - Update Records/etc.

It's your brain that has to put them together, but you would have to do that
assembly yourself.

--
Murray --- ICQ 71997575
Adobe Community Expert
(If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!)
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http://www.dwfaq.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources
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"Malcolm _" <malcom@mon.org> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:15:20 -0400, "Murray *ACE*"
> <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote:
>
>>WebAssist has that cold. Have you looked?
>
> I have - but all those packages seem to be priced at about $200 or
> more than Dw upgrade and not being a professional - it's outside the
> budget.
>
> As I've said before - if you add up all these useful Extra's you could
> spend $600 or more just on add on's and unless you do lots of sites
> are uneconomic
>
> If these packages were a reasonable price such as £50
> or so we might be able to budget for it.
>
>
> Given that Adobe gave us all these extra Spry features that are
> largely useless or superfluous ( I'm quoting others around here - :-))
> I haven't bothered with them ) - it's a mystery what they haven't
> added some really useful php behaviours. :-)
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> ~Malcolm~*...
> ~*

"Malcolm _" <malcom@mon.org> wrote in message
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> Sorry Al - I don't understand what that is !!

It's a backend to allow editing a menu online.


> Looks like one of your menu systems - but are you saying it's got
> security features ?

They are programmed in, but not active.

> and allows people to set up accounts ?

If security were active. It would allow editing permissions, delete
permissions, etc.

I don't understand what you are asking about. You want a content management
system?

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:26:45 -0400, "Murray *ACE*"
<forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote:

>DW gives you all the tools you need to do this:
>
>Authenticate user/Navigate Recordsets/Inset - Delete - Update Records/etc.
>
>It's your brain that has to put them together, but you would have to do that
>assembly yourself.

The only one I recall was explained in the Missing Manual book - but
that used ASP - and I'm not going down that road as it's a backward
step after starting to learn php.

I don't ever recall this being mentioned here before - and why does
David Powers go to lengths to write about it and do new code - if Dw
can do it anyway.

maybe it's just late ( 23:00 here ) and after a heavy day - my brain
is fading :-)

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~Malcolm~*...
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On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:36:59 -0400, "Al Sparber - PVII"
<pviiteam@projectSPAseven.com> wrote:

>"Malcolm _" <malcom@mon.org> wrote in message
>news:muulb41jmp4taspmtgincvi2udsofq8t89@4ax.com.. .
>> Sorry Al - I don't understand what that is !!
>
>It's a backend to allow editing a menu online.
>
>
>> Looks like one of your menu systems - but are you saying it's got
>> security features ?
>
>They are programmed in, but not active.
>
>> and allows people to set up accounts ?
>
>If security were active. It would allow editing permissions, delete
>permissions, etc.
>
>I don't understand what you are asking about. You want a content management
>system?


Sorry Al - maybe I'm making a mess of this -

a tool ( just like your menu tools ) that sets up an authentication
system, so people can log into sections of a web site.

Only for a hundred or so users ( a small society actually ).
Nothing too secure - like money, credit cards, etc - but still
relatively secure.

And using php and relatively safe from hacking.

And if it could avoid using a MtSQL database - so much the better.

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~Malcolm~*...
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Malcolm _ wrote:
> I don't ever recall this being mentioned here before - and why does
> David Powers go to lengths to write about it and do new code - if Dw
> can do it anyway.

Dreamweaver can create a user authentication system in a few minutes.
What it can't do out of the box is server-side validation for a user
registration system.

--
David Powers, Adobe Community Expert
Author, "The Essential Guide to Dreamweaver CS3" (friends of ED)
Author, "PHP Solutions" (friends of ED)
http://foundationphp.com/

"Malcolm _" <malcom@mon.org> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:36:59 -0400, "Al Sparber - PVII"
> <pviiteam@projectSPAseven.com> wrote:
> Sorry Al - maybe I'm making a mess of this -
>
> a tool ( just like your menu tools ) that sets up an authentication
> system, so people can log into sections of a web site.
>
> Only for a hundred or so users ( a small society actually ).
> Nothing too secure - like money, credit cards, etc - but still
> relatively secure.
>
> And using php and relatively safe from hacking.
>
> And if it could avoid using a MtSQL database - so much the better.

I would Google for a canned PHP solution. I would not use Dreamweaver if you
want it to be really secure.


--
Al Sparber - PVII
http://www.projectseven.com
Fully Automated Menu Systems | Galleries | Widgets
http://www.projectseven.com/go/Elevators

A user authentication and log-in system can be made 'really secure' with DW.

--
Murray --- ICQ 71997575
Adobe Community Expert
(If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!)
==================
http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources
http://www.dwfaq.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources
==================


"Al Sparber - PVII" <pviiteam@projectSPAseven.com> wrote in message
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> "Malcolm _" <malcom@mon.org> wrote in message
> news:uj5mb4tcpj27jr9hhup3bb9o4phgbar2fb@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:36:59 -0400, "Al Sparber - PVII"
>> <pviiteam@projectSPAseven.com> wrote:
>> Sorry Al - maybe I'm making a mess of this -
>>
>> a tool ( just like your menu tools ) that sets up an authentication
>> system, so people can log into sections of a web site.
>>
>> Only for a hundred or so users ( a small society actually ).
>> Nothing too secure - like money, credit cards, etc - but still
>> relatively secure.
>>
>> And using php and relatively safe from hacking.
>>
>> And if it could avoid using a MtSQL database - so much the better.
>
> I would Google for a canned PHP solution. I would not use Dreamweaver if
> you want it to be really secure.
>
>
> --
> Al Sparber - PVII
> http://www.projectseven.com
> Fully Automated Menu Systems | Galleries | Widgets
> http://www.projectseven.com/go/Elevators
>
>

On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 07:50:06 -0400
Murray *ACE* said :

> A user authentication and log-in system can be made 'really secure' with DW.

Sorry, ... but I have to disagree.

The DW provided solution to "protected page access" has a major flaw. It
doesn't time out, and a session can survive a machine shutdown.

If you use a tabbed browser which restores your pages on re-opening even after
a machine switch off, you are straight back in to those protected pages.

Not secure.

It is not too difficult to "roll your own" solution to this using PHP and
MySQL, if there is enough interest in this subject I could run up an article
with source code.

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Ronnie MacGregor
Scotland

Ronnie at
dBASEdeveloper
dot co dot uk

www.dBASEdeveloper.co.uk