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"LennyC" <LennyC@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:60460EB2-0F3D-44E8-B99B-3644835B1D7F@microsoft.com...
> Microsoft needs to issue a patch.

I don't think you'll see a patch for Money 2007 for this... unless it's
called Money 2008 :-)

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"LennyC" <LennyC@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:60460EB2-0F3D-44E8-B99B-3644835B1D7F@microsoft.com...
> Money 2007 has a problem with deleting older backups--ones that were
> created
> by Money 2007. I have configured and re-configured the backup settings
> every
> which way possible. However, it does not delete old backups--ones that it
> created. All backup files are kept, and these will only be deleted if
> done
> manually. Microsoft needs to issue a patch.
>
> "Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:
>
>> In microsoft.public.money, LennyC wrote:
>>
>> >I have tried various amounts of backups and understand the need for
>> >multiple
>> >backups. However, Money still does not delete the oldest backups. The
>> >problem is with Money 2007 (no previous versions have had this problem),
>> >and
>> >Microsoft needs to issue a patch.
>>
>> Do you see any behavior different than what I described?
>>
>>
>> >
>> >"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:
>> >
>> >> In microsoft.public.money, LennyC wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I only backup when I close Money. I do not use the scheduled backup
>> >> >option.
>> >> >
>> >> >"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> In microsoft.public.money, LennyC wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >I am backing up to my hard drive, and it still keeps all backups.
>> >> >> >Money 2007
>> >> >> >is the first version in which I've encountered this problem. I
>> >> >> >have used
>> >> >> >Money since 1999, and I have never had this problem.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Is that the backup from whenever you close Money, or is that the
>> >> >> scheduled backup?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Here is how I think Money 2007 backup works when you have more than
>> >> the specified number of backup files already on your hard drive.
>> >>
>> >> In Tools->Settings->BackupSettings suppose you select
>> >> x Automatically backup my Money file every time I close Money
>> >> SaveIn: C:\Documents and Settings\Cal\My Documents\Cal Backup
>> >> Keep only the _4_most recent backup files [default for example]
>> >>
>> >> First, Money will only be looking at existing backup files that
>> >> start with the name specified in the SaveIn box.
>> >>
>> >> Upon exit, I would then expect Money to back up to
>> >> "Cal Backup_2007-07-15_120942.mbf" where that date/time code
>> >> reflects the current time.
>> >>
>> >> I then expect Money to delete what *was* the 4th-oldest of the
>> >> relevant backup files. Older files are not deleted. If you have
>> >> more than 4 such files before, you will have to delete the ones you
>> >> don't want manually. Money will add one file and delete at most one
>> >> file.
>> >>
>> >> Having multiple backups is good. People sometimes recognize a
>> >> problem and exit with an automatic backup. If there is only one
>> >> backup, they overwrite their good backup. Having even more is good.
>> >> Sometimes people don't recognize right away that there is something
>> >> they will want to undo. I recommend increasing the number rather
>> >> than decreasing the number.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> In microsoft.public.money, LennyC wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >I have Money set to keep only the 2 most recent backup files.
>> >> >> >> >However, all
>> >> >> >> >backup files are retained. I've even changed the setting to
>> >> >> >> >keep a different
>> >> >> >> >number of backup files to no avail. Has anyone else
>> >> >> >> >encountered this? Any
>> >> >> >> >suggestions? I'm running Money 2007 Deluxe on Windows Vista
>> >> >> >> >Home Premium.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I assume that you are referring to the Scheduled backup. It's a
>> >> >> >> bug
>> >> >> >> that exists in Money 2007 when you back up to what Money sees as
>> >> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> removable medium, such as a USB flash drive. The workaround is
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> manually delete those extras when the media gets too full. [You
>> >> >> >> could swap out to the next USB flash drive. :-) Just kidding.]
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> In Tools->Settings->BackupSettings
>> >> >> >> I suggest checking
>> >> >> >> x Automatically backup my Money file every time I close Money
>> >> >> >> Save in [a place on your hard drive ]
>> >> >> >> x Ask me before backing up each time*
>> >> >> >> x Compress Backup Files
>> >> >> >> Keep only the _20_most recent backup files [adjust to taste]
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> x Perform scheduled backups every _14_ days
>> >> >> >> Save in [a USB flash drive location]
>> >> >> >> x Ask me before backing up each time*
>> >> >> >> x Compress Backup Files
>> >> >> >> Keep only the _2_most recent backup files [adjust to taste,
>> >> >> >> but Money 2007 does not automatically trim to USB as it
>> >> >> >> should]
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Then periodically, perhaps once per month or more, copy your
>> >> >> >> latest
>> >> >> >> backup (uniquely named by Money) to a CDR. With XP, this can be
>> >> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> copy and paste operation. Otherwise use the burning software
>> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> came with your CDR drive.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I strongly suggest use of a USB Flash drive rather than
>> >> >> >> floppies.
>> >> >> >> They are bigger, so you don't have to swap media to back up.
>> >> >> >> Plus
>> >> >> >> they are much more reliable (but not failure-proof).
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> * The reason I have Money ask me, is that I don't want to back
>> >> >> >> up
>> >> >> >> each time I exit. If I went into Money 5 times in a day, I
>> >> >> >> would
>> >> >> >> not want to back up 5 times, nor would I want to delete 5 other
>> >> >> >> backup files. You will be given the choice to BackUpNow or to
>> >> >> >> Postpone.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>

In microsoft.public.money, Glyn Simpson, MVP wrote:

>I don't think you'll see a patch for Money 2007 for this... unless it's
>called Money 2008 :-)

I don't think there is a bug in Money 2007 that works as he
describes. He repeatedly claimed that "All backup files are kept".

He says he is doing a backup on exit to his hard drive. That implies
it is not a drive that Windows considers removable.

To test to see if you could reproduce his claim, you could open a
Command/DOS window, change directory to the folder where the Money
files are, and enter this command:
dir *2007*.mbf
Note the number of files, which presumably is the same or more than
the number of files entered for "Keep only the _ most recent backup
files." The "dir" command lists the number of files for you; there
is no need to count manually.

Open Money and close Money, letting Money create a new backup. Do
that same "dir *2007*.mbf" command as before, and not that the
number of files has not increased.

I suspect his expectation is that if he has 20 files and sets the
number to 4 that he have only 4 afterwards. Money deletes no more
than one to compensate for the one it just wrote.

I had originally assumed he was referring to the backup to a
removable drive, because there is such a bug in Money 2007. But I
don't think there such a bug for the backup upon close to the
non-removable hard drive.



>
>--
>Glyn Simpson, Microsoft MVP - Money
>http://money.mvps.org
>
>See http://money.mvps.org/faq/default.aspx for tips and fixes for MS Money.
>To send Microsoft your product wishes see http://money.mvps.org/wishes.aspx
>
>I do not respond to any unsolicited email regarding Money
>
>
>"LennyC" <LennyC@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>news:60460EB2-0F3D-44E8-B99B-3644835B1D7F@microsoft.com...
>> Money 2007 has a problem with deleting older backups--ones that were
>> created
>> by Money 2007. I have configured and re-configured the backup settings
>> every
>> which way possible. However, it does not delete old backups--ones that it
>> created. All backup files are kept, and these will only be deleted if
>> done
>> manually. Microsoft needs to issue a patch.
>>
>> "Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:
>>
>>> In microsoft.public.money, LennyC wrote:
>>>
>>> >I have tried various amounts of backups and understand the need for
>>> >multiple
>>> >backups. However, Money still does not delete the oldest backups. The
>>> >problem is with Money 2007 (no previous versions have had this problem),
>>> >and
>>> >Microsoft needs to issue a patch.
>>>
>>> Do you see any behavior different than what I described?
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> In microsoft.public.money, LennyC wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >I only backup when I close Money. I do not use the scheduled backup
>>> >> >option.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> In microsoft.public.money, LennyC wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >I am backing up to my hard drive, and it still keeps all backups.
>>> >> >> >Money 2007
>>> >> >> >is the first version in which I've encountered this problem. I
>>> >> >> >have used
>>> >> >> >Money since 1999, and I have never had this problem.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Is that the backup from whenever you close Money, or is that the
>>> >> >> scheduled backup?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Here is how I think Money 2007 backup works when you have more than
>>> >> the specified number of backup files already on your hard drive.
>>> >>
>>> >> In Tools->Settings->BackupSettings suppose you select
>>> >> x Automatically backup my Money file every time I close Money
>>> >> SaveIn: C:\Documents and Settings\Cal\My Documents\Cal Backup
>>> >> Keep only the _4_most recent backup files [default for example]
>>> >>
>>> >> First, Money will only be looking at existing backup files that
>>> >> start with the name specified in the SaveIn box.
>>> >>
>>> >> Upon exit, I would then expect Money to back up to
>>> >> "Cal Backup_2007-07-15_120942.mbf" where that date/time code
>>> >> reflects the current time.
>>> >>
>>> >> I then expect Money to delete what *was* the 4th-oldest of the
>>> >> relevant backup files. Older files are not deleted. If you have
>>> >> more than 4 such files before, you will have to delete the ones you
>>> >> don't want manually. Money will add one file and delete at most one
>>> >> file.
>>> >>
>>> >> Having multiple backups is good. People sometimes recognize a
>>> >> problem and exit with an automatic backup. If there is only one
>>> >> backup, they overwrite their good backup. Having even more is good.
>>> >> Sometimes people don't recognize right away that there is something
>>> >> they will want to undo. I recommend increasing the number rather
>>> >> than decreasing the number.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> In microsoft.public.money, LennyC wrote:
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >I have Money set to keep only the 2 most recent backup files.
>>> >> >> >> >However, all
>>> >> >> >> >backup files are retained. I've even changed the setting to
>>> >> >> >> >keep a different
>>> >> >> >> >number of backup files to no avail. Has anyone else
>>> >> >> >> >encountered this? Any
>>> >> >> >> >suggestions? I'm running Money 2007 Deluxe on Windows Vista
>>> >> >> >> >Home Premium.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> I assume that you are referring to the Scheduled backup. It's a
>>> >> >> >> bug
>>> >> >> >> that exists in Money 2007 when you back up to what Money sees as
>>> >> >> >> a
>>> >> >> >> removable medium, such as a USB flash drive. The workaround is
>>> >> >> >> to
>>> >> >> >> manually delete those extras when the media gets too full. [You
>>> >> >> >> could swap out to the next USB flash drive. :-) Just kidding.]
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> In Tools->Settings->BackupSettings
>>> >> >> >> I suggest checking
>>> >> >> >> x Automatically backup my Money file every time I close Money
>>> >> >> >> Save in [a place on your hard drive ]
>>> >> >> >> x Ask me before backing up each time*
>>> >> >> >> x Compress Backup Files
>>> >> >> >> Keep only the _20_most recent backup files [adjust to taste]
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> x Perform scheduled backups every _14_ days
>>> >> >> >> Save in [a USB flash drive location]
>>> >> >> >> x Ask me before backing up each time*
>>> >> >> >> x Compress Backup Files
>>> >> >> >> Keep only the _2_most recent backup files [adjust to taste,
>>> >> >> >> but Money 2007 does not automatically trim to USB as it
>>> >> >> >> should]
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Then periodically, perhaps once per month or more, copy your
>>> >> >> >> latest
>>> >> >> >> backup (uniquely named by Money) to a CDR. With XP, this can be
>>> >> >> >> a
>>> >> >> >> copy and paste operation. Otherwise use the burning software
>>> >> >> >> that
>>> >> >> >> came with your CDR drive.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> I strongly suggest use of a USB Flash drive rather than
>>> >> >> >> floppies.
>>> >> >> >> They are bigger, so you don't have to swap media to back up.
>>> >> >> >> Plus
>>> >> >> >> they are much more reliable (but not failure-proof).
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> * The reason I have Money ask me, is that I don't want to back
>>> >> >> >> up
>>> >> >> >> each time I exit. If I went into Money 5 times in a day, I
>>> >> >> >> would
>>> >> >> >> not want to back up 5 times, nor would I want to delete 5 other
>>> >> >> >> backup files. You will be given the choice to BackUpNow or to
>>> >> >> >> Postpone.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >>
>>>

I have been using Money program for 7 years now. I went from 2004 to 2007.
I used to easily backup on a floppy. Now with 2007 no matter what I do, I
can't back up on a dvd or cd. Help!!!!!!!!!!!!
soreub

"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:

> In microsoft.public.money, LennyC wrote:
>
> >I have Money set to keep only the 2 most recent backup files. However, all
> >backup files are retained. I've even changed the setting to keep a different
> >number of backup files to no avail. Has anyone else encountered this? Any
> >suggestions? I'm running Money 2007 Deluxe on Windows Vista Home Premium.
>
> I assume that you are referring to the Scheduled backup. It's a bug
> that exists in Money 2007 when you back up to what Money sees as a
> removable medium, such as a USB flash drive. The workaround is to
> manually delete those extras when the media gets too full. [You
> could swap out to the next USB flash drive. :-) Just kidding.]
>
> In Tools->Settings->BackupSettings
> I suggest checking
> x Automatically backup my Money file every time I close Money
> Save in [a place on your hard drive ]
> x Ask me before backing up each time*
> x Compress Backup Files
> Keep only the _20_most recent backup files [adjust to taste]
>
> x Perform scheduled backups every _14_ days
> Save in [a USB flash drive location]
> x Ask me before backing up each time*
> x Compress Backup Files
> Keep only the _2_most recent backup files [adjust to taste,
> but Money 2007 does not automatically trim to USB as it should]
>
> Then periodically, perhaps once per month or more, copy your latest
> backup (uniquely named by Money) to a CDR. With XP, this can be a
> copy and paste operation. Otherwise use the burning software that
> came with your CDR drive.
>
> I strongly suggest use of a USB Flash drive rather than floppies.
> They are bigger, so you don't have to swap media to back up. Plus
> they are much more reliable (but not failure-proof).
>
> * The reason I have Money ask me, is that I don't want to back up
> each time I exit. If I went into Money 5 times in a day, I would
> not want to back up 5 times, nor would I want to delete 5 other
> backup files. You will be given the choice to BackUpNow or to
> Postpone.
>
>

In microsoft.public.money, soreub wrote:

>I have been using Money program for 7 years now. I went from 2004 to 2007.
>I used to easily backup on a floppy. Now with 2007 no matter what I do, I
>can't back up on a dvd or cd. Help!!!!!!!!!!!!

What are you trying now? At what stage do you have a problem? What
OS are you using?

Most people suggest backing up to a USB flash drive.


>soreub
>
>"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:
>
>> In microsoft.public.money, LennyC wrote:
>>
>> >I have Money set to keep only the 2 most recent backup files. However, all
>> >backup files are retained. I've even changed the setting to keep a different
>> >number of backup files to no avail. Has anyone else encountered this? Any
>> >suggestions? I'm running Money 2007 Deluxe on Windows Vista Home Premium.
>>
>> I assume that you are referring to the Scheduled backup. It's a bug
>> that exists in Money 2007 when you back up to what Money sees as a
>> removable medium, such as a USB flash drive. The workaround is to
>> manually delete those extras when the media gets too full. [You
>> could swap out to the next USB flash drive. :-) Just kidding.]
>>
>> In Tools->Settings->BackupSettings
>> I suggest checking
>> x Automatically backup my Money file every time I close Money
>> Save in [a place on your hard drive ]
>> x Ask me before backing up each time*
>> x Compress Backup Files
>> Keep only the _20_most recent backup files [adjust to taste]
>>
>> x Perform scheduled backups every _14_ days
>> Save in [a USB flash drive location]
>> x Ask me before backing up each time*
>> x Compress Backup Files
>> Keep only the _2_most recent backup files [adjust to taste,
>> but Money 2007 does not automatically trim to USB as it should]
>>
>> Then periodically, perhaps once per month or more, copy your latest
>> backup (uniquely named by Money) to a CDR. With XP, this can be a
>> copy and paste operation. Otherwise use the burning software that
>> came with your CDR drive.
>>
>> I strongly suggest use of a USB Flash drive rather than floppies.
>> They are bigger, so you don't have to swap media to back up. Plus
>> they are much more reliable (but not failure-proof).
>>
>> * The reason I have Money ask me, is that I don't want to back up
>> each time I exit. If I went into Money 5 times in a day, I would
>> not want to back up 5 times, nor would I want to delete 5 other
>> backup files. You will be given the choice to BackUpNow or to
>> Postpone.
>>
>>

Cal,
I'm so fed up completely at this point with PCs, I'm probably buying a Mac,
but in the meantime.............This is my 7th pc(4th Dell).

Aside from other unbearable issues(software), I still have to solve on other
Microsoft discussion groups, I will address one problem at a time.


My Money program is set up to update to my bank from the money site. It
recognizes most of my accounts with the exception of one. I can't figure why
it won't recognize it.

The problem of not being able to save is when I'm ready to close out, it
asks me to save in two different places. Normally on the second, I would
have hoped to save on a removable media, but it keeps saying c: drive. I've
already saved on the first step on the hard drive.

So now what?
I use XP.
I've never owned or used a flash drive. I assume those are the tiny little
travelling items. Is this better to use than cds or dvds?

"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:

> In microsoft.public.money, soreub wrote:
>
> >I have been using Money program for 7 years now. I went from 2004 to 2007.
> >I used to easily backup on a floppy. Now with 2007 no matter what I do, I
> >can't back up on a dvd or cd. Help!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> What are you trying now? At what stage do you have a problem? What
> OS are you using?
>
> Most people suggest backing up to a USB flash drive.
>
>
> >soreub
> >
> >"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:
> >
> >> In microsoft.public.money, LennyC wrote:
> >>
> >> >I have Money set to keep only the 2 most recent backup files. However, all
> >> >backup files are retained. I've even changed the setting to keep a different
> >> >number of backup files to no avail. Has anyone else encountered this? Any
> >> >suggestions? I'm running Money 2007 Deluxe on Windows Vista Home Premium.
> >>
> >> I assume that you are referring to the Scheduled backup. It's a bug
> >> that exists in Money 2007 when you back up to what Money sees as a
> >> removable medium, such as a USB flash drive. The workaround is to
> >> manually delete those extras when the media gets too full. [You
> >> could swap out to the next USB flash drive. :-) Just kidding.]
> >>
> >> In Tools->Settings->BackupSettings
> >> I suggest checking
> >> x Automatically backup my Money file every time I close Money
> >> Save in [a place on your hard drive ]
> >> x Ask me before backing up each time*
> >> x Compress Backup Files
> >> Keep only the _20_most recent backup files [adjust to taste]
> >>
> >> x Perform scheduled backups every _14_ days
> >> Save in [a USB flash drive location]
> >> x Ask me before backing up each time*
> >> x Compress Backup Files
> >> Keep only the _2_most recent backup files [adjust to taste,
> >> but Money 2007 does not automatically trim to USB as it should]
> >>
> >> Then periodically, perhaps once per month or more, copy your latest
> >> backup (uniquely named by Money) to a CDR. With XP, this can be a
> >> copy and paste operation. Otherwise use the burning software that
> >> came with your CDR drive.
> >>
> >> I strongly suggest use of a USB Flash drive rather than floppies.
> >> They are bigger, so you don't have to swap media to back up. Plus
> >> they are much more reliable (but not failure-proof).
> >>
> >> * The reason I have Money ask me, is that I don't want to back up
> >> each time I exit. If I went into Money 5 times in a day, I would
> >> not want to back up 5 times, nor would I want to delete 5 other
> >> backup files. You will be given the choice to BackUpNow or to
> >> Postpone.
> >>
> >>
>

In microsoft.public.money, soreub wrote:

>
>I've never owned or used a flash drive. I assume those are the tiny little
>travelling items. Is this better to use than cds or dvds?

Yes, they can travel. I have one on my keys. But they can stay at
home. They are often on sale. 1 GB (1000 megabyte) used to be a big
one, but they are now often available for under $20. Your friends
probably have 250 megabyte ones sitting in a drawer because they
moved on to bigger ones.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=7386475