Searching TopSpeed Modula 2 and Clarion

Hello !!!

I'm searching TopSpeed Modula-2 compiler and I can't find it. No
vendors, no sites ...

I like Modula-2. I've used it during many years but I lost the contact.

I want to know if this product always exists, if I can buy it and where

I want to run it under Windows 32 bits platforms like XP, Vista (32 and
64) and Linux or *BSD (MacOS/X)...


I 'm searching too Clarion L4G, a very good product, but I've no
information too.

If you know something ...
Thanks a lot
Best regards from France.
YCH

"Yaël Chéenne" <yael.cheenne@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:47a25eea$0$881$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr...
>
> I'm searching TopSpeed Modula-2 compiler and I can't find it. No vendors,
> no sites ...
>
> I like Modula-2. I've used it during many years but I lost the contact.
>
> I want to know if this product always exists, if I can buy it and where
>
> I want to run it under Windows 32 bits platforms like XP, Vista (32 and
> 64) and Linux or *BSD (MacOS/X)...
>
>
> I 'm searching too Clarion L4G, a very good product, but I've no
> information too.
>

SoftVelocity are the current owners of what used to be TopSpeed Modula-2.

Clarion is built on top of the TopSpeed Modula-2 compiler but I don't know
if you can access the compiler separately. The following page suggests to me
that you might be able to:.

http://www.softvelocity.com/Clarion/Rich_Language.htm

Contact SoftVelocity for more information.

--
Chris Burrows
CFB Software
http://www.cfbsoftware.com/modula2

On Jan 31, 6:57 pm, Yaël Chéenne <yael.chee...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> Hello !!!
>
> I'm searching TopSpeed Modula-2 compiler and I can't find it. No
> vendors, no sites ...
>
> I like Modula-2. I've used it during many years but I lost the contact.
>
> I want to know if this product always exists, if I can buy it and where
>
> I want to run it under Windows 32 bits platforms like XP, Vista (32 and
> 64) and Linux or *BSD (MacOS/X)...
>
> I 'm searching too Clarion L4G, a very good product, but I've no
> information too.
>
> If you know something ...
> Thanks a lot
> Best regards from France.
> YCH


What Chris said, contact SV and buy a copy of Clarion. My copy of
Clarion 6.0 has a 32-bit M2 compiler included with the Clarion product
(c60ee\bin\c60modx.dll).

Having said that, the big problems with it are:
1) You can only call M2 code from a Clarion application - your main
application has to be based on Clarion code, even if it's only a 1-
line procedure call to a M2 procedure
2) There are NO definition modules available from SV - no file I/O, no
Windows API calls, no string functions, nothing. Unless you want to go
through the hassle of either converting them from something else (C,
or a different M2 vendor) or creating them from scratch, I really
don't see the point in pursuing this.

As far as I can tell, shipping the compiler is just a side-effect of
them using M2 internally (the CW debugger was/is written in M2).
They've long stopped putting any effort in making the M2 compiler a
marketable product.

Paul

Yaël Chéenne wrote:
[...]
> I like Modula-2. I've used it during many years but I lost the contact.
[...]
> I want to run it under Windows 32 bits platforms like XP, Vista (32 and
> 64) and Linux or *BSD (MacOS/X)...

If you are interested in a Modula-2 compiler on those platforms, there
are other options such as XDS, GNU-Modula-2, Mocka (from Murus), and p1.

john

>
>
> I 'm searching too Clarion L4G, a very good product, but I've no
> information too.
>
> If you know something ...
> Thanks a lot
> Best regards from France.
> YCH

Chris Burrows a écrit :
> "Yaël Chéenne" <yael.cheenne@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:47a25eea$0$881$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr...
>> I'm searching TopSpeed Modula-2 compiler and I can't find it. No vendors,
>> no sites ...
>>
>> I like Modula-2. I've used it during many years but I lost the contact.
>>
>> I want to know if this product always exists, if I can buy it and where
>>
>> I want to run it under Windows 32 bits platforms like XP, Vista (32 and
>> 64) and Linux or *BSD (MacOS/X)...
>>
>>
>> I 'm searching too Clarion L4G, a very good product, but I've no
>> information too.
>>
>
> SoftVelocity are the current owners of what used to be TopSpeed Modula-2.
>
> Clarion is built on top of the TopSpeed Modula-2 compiler but I don't know
> if you can access the compiler separately. The following page suggests to me
> that you might be able to:.
>
> http://www.softvelocity.com/Clarion/Rich_Language.htm
>
> Contact SoftVelocity for more information.
>
> --
> Chris Burrows
> CFB Software
> http://www.cfbsoftware.com/modula2
>
>
>
>
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Hello !

I went to SoftVelocity site and I found this: Clarion includes compilers
for C++ and Modula-2. So, I think that I will search anyway.

Thanks for your help.
Best regards
YCH

john o goyo a écrit :
> Yaël Chéenne wrote:
> [...]
>> I like Modula-2. I've used it during many years but I lost the contact.
> [...]
>> I want to run it under Windows 32 bits platforms like XP, Vista (32
>> and 64) and Linux or *BSD (MacOS/X)...
>
> If you are interested in a Modula-2 compiler on those platforms, there
> are other options such as XDS, GNU-Modula-2, Mocka (from Murus), and p1.
>
> john
>
>>
>>
>> I 'm searching too Clarion L4G, a very good product, but I've no
>> information too.
>>
>> If you know something ...
>> Thanks a lot
>> Best regards from France.
>> YCH
===========================================
Hello John,

Thanks for your response. I will search about these products. Do you
know these ?

Or some links ?

Thanks for your help.
Best regards
YCH

On 2008-02-01, clackmannan <clackmannan@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 2) There are NO definition modules available from SV - no file I/O, no
> Windows API calls, no string functions, nothing. Unless you want to go
> through the hassle of either converting them from something else (C,
> or a different M2 vendor)

C is hard. Pascal would be easier probably.

Is there an universal M2 syntax for callingconventions and external linking
in general? I've 20MB of Delphi headers, all LGPL or MPL licensed.

"Yaël Chéenne" <yael.cheenne@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:47a45662$0$867$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr...
> john o goyo a écrit :
>>
>> If you are interested in a Modula-2 compiler on those platforms, there
>> are other options such as XDS, GNU-Modula-2, Mocka (from Murus), and p1.
>>
> Hello John,
>
> Thanks for your response. I will search about these products. Do you know
> these ?
>
> Or some links ?
>

A very useful list of Modula-2 compiler links is at:

http://www.modula2.org/links/compilers.php

--
Chris Burrows
CFB Software
http://www.cfbsoftware.com/modula2

Have you been using GNU-Modula2? I have found it useless. I could not
configure it on linux (xandros and pclos), and any kind of meaningful
help is out of the question.

I tried looking for mocka but could not find anything useful.

I have found that the xds product does work for both Win 32 bit and
linux. I have only been playing with this in a rudimentary way, but
have not found any serious problems w/ it.

xds is the best bet for the OP, as far as I found.

> Yaël Chéenne wrote:
> [...]
> > I like Modula-2. I've used it during many years but I lost the contact.
> [...]
> > I want to run it under Windows 32 bits platforms like XP, Vista (32 and
> > 64) and Linux or *BSD (MacOS/X)...
>
> If you are interested in a Modula-2 compiler on those platforms, there
> are other options such as XDS, GNU-Modula-2, Mocka (from Murus), and p1.
>
> john
>
> >
> >
> > I 'm searching too Clarion L4G, a very good product, but I've no
> > information too.
> >
> > If you know something ...
> > Thanks a lot
> > Best regards from France.
> > YCH
>

Robert Solomon wrote:
> Have you been using GNU-Modula2? I have found it useless. I could not
> configure it on linux (xandros and pclos), and any kind of meaningful
> help is out of the question.

There are some rough edges because it is still in development.
However, it is the few available on Solaris/Sparc (Ulm is the
other one).

>
> I tried looking for mocka but could not find anything useful.

You may find the distribution from Murus
(http://lwb.mi.fu-berlin.de/mocka) reasonable. They also have a lot
of examples at the Murus site (http://lwb.mi.fu-berlin.de/murus).

>
> I have found that the xds product does work for both Win 32 bit and
> linux. I have only been playing with this in a rudimentary way, but
> have not found any serious problems w/ it.
>
> xds is the best bet for the OP, as far as I found.

Agreed.

john

>
>> Yaël Chéenne wrote:
>> [...]
>>> I like Modula-2. I've used it during many years but I lost the contact.
>> [...]
>>> I want to run it under Windows 32 bits platforms like XP, Vista (32 and
>>> 64) and Linux or *BSD (MacOS/X)...
>> If you are interested in a Modula-2 compiler on those platforms, there
>> are other options such as XDS, GNU-Modula-2, Mocka (from Murus), and p1.
>>
>> john
>>
>>>
>>> I 'm searching too Clarion L4G, a very good product, but I've no
>>> information too.
>>>
>>> If you know something ...
>>> Thanks a lot
>>> Best regards from France.
>>> YCH