pathetic sell-out (was Re: Warren Spector -Dev Diary at IGN ("only thebest parts"))

Everyone, all together now: "Warren Spector is a pathetic sell-out."

Thief 3 WILL be shit. Looking Glass' games are officially dead as of this point.

mace wrote:
>
> http://pc.ign.com/articles/444/444433p2.html
>
> "True confessions time - I'm not just a PC gamer. Never have been and
> doubt I ever will be. I've always owned every gaming platform
> available, always played both console and PC games. What's more, I've
> always wanted to work on a console game. There. I said it."
>
> ...(speechless)

Ah, a new installation of Outlook Express on my laptop. The chance to
communicate with those I haven't for awhile...

Eep² wrote:
> Everyone, all together now: "Warren Spector is a pathetic sell-out."

Are you saying this based on the article, or for additional reasons?

> Thief 3 WILL be shit. Looking Glass' games are officially dead as of
> this point.

What are your reasons for asserting this?

> mace wrote:
>>
>> http://pc.ign.com/articles/444/444433p2.html
>>
>> "True confessions time - I'm not just a PC gamer. Never have been and
>> doubt I ever will be. I've always owned every gaming platform
>> available, always played both console and PC games. What's more, I've
>> always wanted to work on a console game. There. I said it."
>>
>> ...(speechless)


Cheers,
Brandon Van Every

So this is where people come to bitch whenever they paid money for a game
and it wasn't what they thought it would be, eh?

--
http://barfdader.com
"Beat your children at least once a day; if you don't know why, they do."
-A surprisingly famous guy

"Brandon J. Van Every" wrote:
>
> Eep² wrote:
> > Everyone, all together now: "Warren Spector is a pathetic sell-out."
>
> Are you saying this based on the article, or for additional reasons?

Both...isn't it obvious what with Deus Ex 2? Larger fonts, dumbed-down interface...come on, Brandon; it's not theoretical physics...

> > Thief 3 WILL be shit. Looking Glass' games are officially dead as of this point.
>
> What are your reasons for asserting this?

Deus Ex...the article...intuition...common sense...

> > mace wrote:
> >>
> >> http://pc.ign.com/articles/444/444433p2.html
> >>
> >> "True confessions time - I'm not just a PC gamer. Never have been and
> >> doubt I ever will be. I've always owned every gaming platform
> >> available, always played both console and PC games. What's more, I've
> >> always wanted to work on a console game. There. I said it."
> >>
> >> ...(speechless)

Eep² wrote:
> "Brandon J. Van Every" wrote:
>>
>> Eep² wrote:
>>> Everyone, all together now: "Warren Spector is a pathetic sell-out."
>>
>> Are you saying this based on the article, or for additional reasons?
>
> Both...isn't it obvious what with Deus Ex 2? Larger fonts,
> dumbed-down interface...come on, Brandon; it's not theoretical
> physics...

I haven't played DE2. Generally speaking, I don't follow the FPS genre. I
have played both Thief 1 and 2, and will at least look at the demo of 3 when
it materializes. I'll leave other people to argue whether DE2 == Warren
Spector is a sellout.

>>> Thief 3 WILL be shit. Looking Glass' games are officially dead as
>>> of this point.
>>
>> What are your reasons for asserting this?
>
> Deus Ex...the article...

Ok... but FWIW, the article does not scream "sellout" at me.

> intuition...common sense...

These I cannot accept, and you yourself should not accept, if you are in the
habit of noting your own biases. You have expressed exceedingly strong
opinions on a wide range of FPS subjects, leaving many of us to take your
opinions with a lot of grains of salt. In other words, there is nothing
"common" about your sense.

--
Cheers, www.indiegamedesign.com
Brandon Van Every Seattle, WA

Brandon's Law (after Godwin's Law):
"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of
a person being called a troll approaches one RAPIDLY."

"Brandon J. Van Every" wrote:
>
> Eep² wrote:
> > "Brandon J. Van Every" wrote:
> >>
> >> Eep² wrote:
> >>> Everyone, all together now: "Warren Spector is a pathetic sell-out."
> >>
> >> Are you saying this based on the article, or for additional reasons?
> >
> > Both...isn't it obvious what with Deus Ex 2? Larger fonts,
> > dumbed-down interface...come on, Brandon; it's not theoretical
> > physics...
>
> I haven't played DE2. Generally speaking, I don't follow the FPS genre. I
> have played both Thief 1 and 2, and will at least look at the demo of 3 when
> it materializes. I'll leave other people to argue whether DE2 == Warren
> Spector is a sellout.

Uh huh...

> >>> Thief 3 WILL be shit. Looking Glass' games are officially dead as
> >>> of this point.
> >>
> >> What are your reasons for asserting this?
> >
> > Deus Ex...the article...
>
> Ok... but FWIW, the article does not scream "sellout" at me.

Hmm, are you deaf? <blink>

> > intuition...common sense...
>
> These I cannot accept, and you yourself should not accept, if you are in the
> habit of noting your own biases. You have expressed exceedingly strong
> opinions on a wide range of FPS subjects, leaving many of us to take your
> opinions with a lot of grains of salt. In other words, there is nothing
> "common" about your sense.

<shrug> Fuck if I care if you or others here (or anywhere) don't like my opinions.

"Eep²" <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:3FD67EDD.DB3EF3EA@spam.com...
> "Brandon J. Van Every" wrote:
> >
> > Eep² wrote:
> > > Everyone, all together now: "Warren Spector is a pathetic sell-out."
> >
> > Are you saying this based on the article, or for additional reasons?
>
> Both...isn't it obvious what with Deus Ex 2? Larger fonts, dumbed-down
interface...come on, Brandon; it's not theoretical physics...

ROFLMAO!!! Are you actually, honestly suggesting that Thief 3 will be shit
because Deus Ex 2 uses a *LARGER FONT* than DX1?!?!

I tip my hat to you, good sir, you have managed to say something even more
incredibly stupid than you usually do. It's good to know that although I've
long considered you as the single dumbest person I've come across on usenet,
at least you are dedicated and working hard to keep that distinction instead
of slacking off like so many other unambitious slobs.

If you suck at everything, then at least you're the best at sucking.

> > > Thief 3 WILL be shit. Looking Glass' games are officially dead as of
this point.
> >
> > What are your reasons for asserting this?
>
> Deus Ex...the article...intuition...common sense...

i.e., he pulled that comment out of his ass but since it doesn't make him
look stupid enough, he's dropped it in favor of asserting his
mind-bogglingly moronic connection between the size of the fonts in DX2 and
the quality of other Ion Storm Austin titles.

Eep² wrote:
> "Brandon J. Van Every" wrote:
>>
>>
>> Ok... but FWIW, the article does not scream "sellout" at me.
>
> Hmm, are you deaf? <blink>

Well even if I was, the article and this e-mail exchange are in print. ;-/
I think deconstructing the article on a point-by-point basis would be a more
productive execise that asserting that others are deaf, are idiots, or
whatever, simply because they don't hold your views. So you first... what's
the first paragraph in the article that really convinces you that Warren is
a sellout?

> <shrug> Fuck if I care if you or others here (or anywhere) don't like
> my opinions.

Then why do you bother discussing your opinions with anyone?

--
Cheers, www.indiegamedesign.com
Brandon Van Every Seattle, WA

Brandon's Law (after Godwin's Law):
"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of
a person being called a troll approaches one RAPIDLY."

"Brandon J. Van Every" wrote:
>
> Eep² wrote:
> > "Brandon J. Van Every" wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok... but FWIW, the article does not scream "sellout" at me.
> >
> > Hmm, are you deaf? <blink>
>
> Well even if I was, the article and this e-mail exchange are in print. ;-/
> I think deconstructing the article on a point-by-point basis would be a more
> productive execise that asserting that others are deaf, are idiots, or
> whatever, simply because they don't hold your views. So you first... what's
> the first paragraph in the article that really convinces you that Warren is
> a sellout?

"True confessions time - I'm not just a PC gamer. Never have been and
doubt I ever will be. I've always owned every gaming platform
available, always played both console and PC games. What's more, I've
always wanted to work on a console game. There. I said it."

<blink>

"We decided that some of the complexity associated with the UI in the
first Deus Ex game actually didn't contribute to our core gameplay AT
ALL. And we decided to eliminate what we considered to be unnecessary
UI complexity. So, I suppose you could say that we chose the path of
simplifying the controls for Invisible War. But it's critical that
people understand -- though the UI decisions we made clearly benefited
the console version, we made no decisions that we thought would
compromise our core gameplay. And we would have made the same
decisions even if the game had been PC-only."

<blinkety-blink>

"We rolled the augmentations and skills systems of the first game into
a single "biomods" system, eliminating the UI subscreen associated
with skills (and all the classic-RPG number-crunching associated with
that system). Yes, we did this to make the game more accessible."

....to attention-deficit-disorder-suffering consolers.

"Among the more controversial decisions we made, one some players see
as making the game more consoley and less PC-ish, was to go with a
single ammunition type (rather than unique ammunition for each weapon
type). This eliminated the need to track "shots" and "clips" for each
weapon, individually. It also had the added benefit of ensuring that
players have to manage their ammo resource throughout the game,
instead of blasting through all of their ammo for one weapon, secure
in the knowledge that they have a max loadout for every OTHER weapon
in the game to fall back on! Some people have assumed that this change
'simplifies' strategic gameplay. In my experience, it actually makes
the game more difficult, maybe even more hardcore!"

Um, no it doesn't. It makes it more mindless.

"Fundamentally (and not to sound like a broken record), we WANTED to
offer players the same game on both platforms. We embraced the
limitations of the Xbox, focused on the player experience and, yes,
made some compromises."

So obvious a sign of a sellout it hurts, Brandon...

You may not be deaf, but perhaps you're blind?

> > <shrug> Fuck if I care if you or others here (or anywhere) don't like
> > my opinions.
>
> Then why do you bother discussing your opinions with anyone?

Cuz I can. :P What's YOUR excuse?

Holden wrote:
>
> "Eep²" <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:3FD67EDD.DB3EF3EA@spam.com...
> > "Brandon J. Van Every" wrote:
> > >
> > > Eep² wrote:
> > > > Everyone, all together now: "Warren Spector is a pathetic sell-out."
> > >
> > > Are you saying this based on the article, or for additional reasons?
> >
> > Both...isn't it obvious what with Deus Ex 2? Larger fonts, dumbed-down
> interface...come on, Brandon; it's not theoretical physics...
>
> ROFLMAO!!! Are you actually, honestly suggesting that Thief 3 will be shit
> because Deus Ex 2 uses a *LARGER FONT* than DX1?!?!
>
> I tip my hat to you, good sir, you have managed to say something even more
> incredibly stupid than you usually do. It's good to know that although I've
> long considered you as the single dumbest person I've come across on usenet,
> at least you are dedicated and working hard to keep that distinction instead
> of slacking off like so many other unambitious slobs.
>
> If you suck at everything, then at least you're the best at sucking.

<yawn> You obviously can't read very well, Holden. I hardly limited Deus Ex 2's suckiness to its larger font. Scroll up and and read more carefully, sport. <flick>

> > > > Thief 3 WILL be shit. Looking Glass' games are officially dead as of
> this point.
> > >
> > > What are your reasons for asserting this?
> >
> > Deus Ex...the article...intuition...common sense...
>
> i.e., he pulled that comment out of his ass but since it doesn't make him
> look stupid enough, he's dropped it in favor of asserting his
> mind-bogglingly moronic connection between the size of the fonts in DX2 and
> the quality of other Ion Storm Austin titles.

See above, moh-ron.

Suck filter, too.