FS: (18) LCD1901HD 19" HD LCD MONITORS, NEW IN BOX

> In fact, I challenge you to find any price on any item Bass sells that I
> can't beat (even with shipping included). He's not the only "fish" that
> can drop ship anywhere in North America.

Would that be a one time price reduction by you just to beat Robert on one
order or your normal prices.

Of course, since you hide your business identity, you could claim any price.

Robert L Bass wrote:

> I don't carry Acer. They make notebook Pcs
> and PC monitors. Olson's flame

Where have I "flamed" you?? Your prices are exorbitant. That's an
easily provable fact.


> is the equivalent
> of me offering to sell an ELK-M1G and him
> claiming that he can beat my price by shipping a
> CM11A. As usual, he's all moo and no beef.
>


Ummm... No actually, it isn't. A high def monitor is a high def
monitor. If the specs are the same (1080p) and 1440 x 900, etc. paying
your considerable "handling fee" would be plain dumb (not to mention
trying to deal with you after the sale what with your phone constantly
ringing "busy" and no email). We're actually comparing prices between
different manufacturers on the exact same type of high def monitor.

B Fuhrmann wrote:
>> In fact, I challenge you to find any price on any item Bass sells that I
>> can't beat (even with shipping included). He's not the only "fish" that
>> can drop ship anywhere in North America.
>
> Would that be a one time price reduction by you just to beat Robert on one
> order or your normal prices.
>
> Of course, since you hide your business identity, you could claim any price.
>
>


True... and we're not set up to take "online" orders anyway. As with
everything else in life, you have to "shop around" for the best deal. I
was merely pointing out that Robert's pricing leaves a lot to be desired
and buying the most expensive monitor isn't going to matter all that
much (except to your wallet). Heck... these days you can't even
compare "apples" anymore. Theres a distinctive difference in flavor
between "galas" and "MacIntosh"... :-)

Frank Olson wrote:
> B Fuhrmann wrote:
>>> In fact, I challenge you to find any price on any item Bass sells
>>> that I can't beat (even with shipping included). He's not the only
>>> "fish" that can drop ship anywhere in North America.
>>
>> Would that be a one time price reduction by you just to beat Robert
>> on one order or your normal prices.
>>
>> Of course, since you hide your business identity, you could claim
>> any price.
>
>
> True... and we're not set up to take "online" orders anyway. As with
> everything else in life, you have to "shop around" for the best deal.
> I was merely pointing out that Robert's pricing leaves a lot to be
> desired and buying the most expensive monitor isn't going to matter
> all that much (except to your wallet). Heck... these days you can't
> even compare "apples" anymore. Theres a distinctive difference in
> flavor between "galas" and "MacIntosh"... :-)

And still, you won't tell us the model number of the Acer HD monitor
that you quoted! Not only don't you tell us how to order from you or
what firm you represent you refuse to even tell us the specific product
number and now say you won't sell to us anyway! I'm sorry Frank, but
whether Robert's prices are high or not he at least offers full
disclosure about what he's offering and has credibility... something you
won't allow yourself to have.

BruceR wrote:
> Frank Olson wrote:
>> B Fuhrmann wrote:
>>>> In fact, I challenge you to find any price on any item Bass sells
>>>> that I can't beat (even with shipping included). He's not the only
>>>> "fish" that can drop ship anywhere in North America.
>>> Would that be a one time price reduction by you just to beat Robert
>>> on one order or your normal prices.
>>>
>>> Of course, since you hide your business identity, you could claim
>>> any price.
>>
>> True... and we're not set up to take "online" orders anyway. As with
>> everything else in life, you have to "shop around" for the best deal.
>> I was merely pointing out that Robert's pricing leaves a lot to be
>> desired and buying the most expensive monitor isn't going to matter
>> all that much (except to your wallet). Heck... these days you can't
>> even compare "apples" anymore. Theres a distinctive difference in
>> flavor between "galas" and "MacIntosh"... :-)
>
> And still, you won't tell us the model number of the Acer HD monitor
> that you quoted! Not only don't you tell us how to order from you or
> what firm you represent you refuse to even tell us the specific product
> number and now say you won't sell to us anyway! I'm sorry Frank, but
> whether Robert's prices are high or not he at least offers full
> disclosure about what he's offering and has credibility... something you
> won't allow yourself to have.
>
>


I'm sorry Bruce. But to quote the great "Alarminex"... Posting
information like that will only help "you know who". If you want that
info, you can email me. At least you know I'll answer. You are correct
in that I don't sell online.

Frank Olson <Use-the-email-links@yoursecuritysource.com> wrote:

>BruceR wrote:
>> Frank Olson wrote:
>>> B Fuhrmann wrote:
>>>>> In fact, I challenge you to find any price on any item Bass sells
>>>>> that I can't beat (even with shipping included). He's not the only
>>>>> "fish" that can drop ship anywhere in North America.
>>>> Would that be a one time price reduction by you just to beat Robert
>>>> on one order or your normal prices.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, since you hide your business identity, you could claim
>>>> any price.
>>>
>>> True... and we're not set up to take "online" orders anyway. As with
>>> everything else in life, you have to "shop around" for the best deal.
>>> I was merely pointing out that Robert's pricing leaves a lot to be
>>> desired and buying the most expensive monitor isn't going to matter
>>> all that much (except to your wallet). Heck... these days you can't
>>> even compare "apples" anymore. Theres a distinctive difference in
>>> flavor between "galas" and "MacIntosh"... :-)
>>
>> And still, you won't tell us the model number of the Acer HD monitor
>> that you quoted! Not only don't you tell us how to order from you or
>> what firm you represent you refuse to even tell us the specific product
>> number and now say you won't sell to us anyway! I'm sorry Frank, but
>> whether Robert's prices are high or not he at least offers full
>> disclosure about what he's offering and has credibility... something you
>> won't allow yourself to have.
>>
>
>I'm sorry Bruce. But to quote the great "Alarminex"... Posting
>information like that will only help "you know who". If you want that
>info, you can email me. At least you know I'll answer. You are correct
>in that I don't sell online.

A lot depends on whether you are looking for a PC monitor or HDTV.

Widescreen 19" LCD PC monitors from well known manufacturers are less than
$200 (US) from reputable dealers like buy.com, BestBuy, etc.

While I doubt that many people would be interested in such a small screen
for HDTV, the ToteVision LCD-1901HD ($1169 list) supports NTSC/PAL although
it doesn't appear to include a tuner. On the ToteVision web page there are
huge discrepancies between the "Specifications" and "User Manual" so it's
impossible to determine the real capabilities and tell fish from foul but
19-22" 1080p HDTVs with built-in tuner and PC inputs from well known
manufacturers and reputable dealers sell for about half of the quoted
"discounted" price.

Plus - a story in today's NYT recommends waiting til January when dealers
will be dumping excess inventory.

Dave Houston wrote:

>
> Plus - a story in today's NYT recommends waiting til January when dealers
> will be dumping excess inventory.

looks like some are starting early.

"Dave Houston" <nobody@whocares.com> wrote in message
news:46ceb23e.35690109@nntp.fuse.net...
> "Robert Green" <ROBERT_GREEN1963@YAH00.COM> wrote:
>
> >The big LCD glut is here. Over a dozen new LCD plants have opened
recently
> >and the fierce competition will be driving down prices relentlessly.
Those
> >holding old inventory are really going to take an ass-whupping. Most
> >consumers will end up with some great deals in the coming year unless
> >something like the lure of free shipping and a small markdown overcome
their
> >senses.
>
> The glut has been here for some time, especially in the smaller sizes. I
> bought a Viewsonic QB19wb about a year ago from buy.com for less than
$200.
> It has performed flawlessly.

Even those prices are going to seem high very shortly. The demand for LCDs
is very elastic. People find it easy to justify replacing a CRT with a few
years left when LCDs cross a certain price threshold. $200 was one of those
price points and $100 is very likely to turn out to be another. After all,
you get some desk space back, a lower electric bill, extremely sharp corner
resolution and other benefits. What's not to like?

Well, I'll tell you! (-: Now that I've deployed a few I've found it's
often not until you buy one that you understand what "native resolution"
means and the nuances of various "dead pixel policies." Dead pixels, for
certain applications, pretty much mean "get a new monitor" and for you to
use the star-speckled one for word processing. What I dislike the most
about LCD panels is that the angle of view almost never equals that of a
good CRT. I know it on my workbench, where I consigned the dead pixel CTX
display I bought. I could read the old screen standing or sitting. Not so
the new LCD.

I guess I need an auto-face tracking camera mounted on the top of the screen
and some sort of pan and tilt mount to keep the screen pointed at me no
matter whether I am standing or sitting. I could probably get by with some
sort of jumbo "day/night" mirror mount for the screen that I could "flip" to
cover the sitting and standing positions. Or I could just put the old
Viewsonic CRT back on the bench. It turns out that it's the best choice for
connecting to the wide variety of PC's that find their way to the bench top
because CRT's don't suffer from native resolution issues. The LCD was cool
in the beginning, but all in all, for that specific app, the CRT still
rules.

As for the glut, I define the word to mean putting SO much product out on
the market at SUCH a low price that more than one manufacturer goes belly up
or exits the market as a result. I don't think it's going to happen this
year, but it could easily happen after the next. It could just as easily be
true that the coming switch to HD TV will increase the demand for panels.
In that case, the point where prices stop sliding could still be a far way
off. I suspect that the end price of an LCD monitor will eventually bottom
out very close to the cost of the raw materials and the energy used to make
and move them. That would put a 19" monitor in the $30-60 range from my
very rough calculations.

I just priced mass storage $ per gigabyte on some 300GB Maxtor PATA's that
were on sale for $60. That's 20 cents a gigabyte. When 60MB disks were
popular and cost $300 that worked out to about $5,000 per gig, at least it
does if I didn't misplace a decimal or three at three AM. (-: Too bad we
haven't pursued increasing solar panel efficiency with the same vigor or
success. Maybe if we elect the son of solar panel CEO instead of a Texas
oilman as president, we'll see some motion in that direction.

--
Bobby G.

"Dave Houston" <nobody@whocares.com> wrote in message

> Plus - a story in today's NYT recommends waiting til January when dealers
> will be dumping excess inventory.

In today's quarter by quarter business world, Christmas usually means the
last chance a vendor will get to pump up their sales figures, even if those
sales don't push up profts they still make Wall St. happy because it means
the company is not holding inventory into the new year. That's when we see
plenty of markdown ads as vendors fear the older, more expensive models will
have to be sold at a loss. The Superbowl skews those figures a bit, giving
some 1st quarter relief to TV makers when the folks who didn't make the
Christmas purchase now spend their $ on a big screen TV.

There was lots of industry chatter last year about Olevia entering the
market and doing a lot of damage to the price structure that had been fairly
stable up until then.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...illian.com/pdf
/news/NYTimes_Article.pdf+Olevia+forces+prices+down&hl=e n&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us
&lr=lang_en

I recall reading somewhere that their plan for this year was to market a 23"
HDTV for $99 by Christmas time.

--
Bobby G.

"Robert Green" <ROBERT_GREEN1963@YAH00.COM> wrote:

>"Dave Houston" <nobody@whocares.com> wrote in message
>
>> Plus - a story in today's NYT recommends waiting til January when dealers
>> will be dumping excess inventory.
>
>In today's quarter by quarter business world, Christmas usually means the
>last chance a vendor will get to pump up their sales figures, even if those
>sales don't push up profts they still make Wall St. happy because it means
>the company is not holding inventory into the new year. That's when we see
>plenty of markdown ads as vendors fear the older, more expensive models will
>have to be sold at a loss. The Superbowl skews those figures a bit, giving
>some 1st quarter relief to TV makers when the folks who didn't make the
>Christmas purchase now spend their $ on a big screen TV.
>
>There was lots of industry chatter last year about Olevia entering the
>market and doing a lot of damage to the price structure that had been fairly
>stable up until then.
>
>http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...illian.com/pdf
>/news/NYTimes_Article.pdf+Olevia+forces+prices+down&hl=e n&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us
>&lr=lang_en
>
>I recall reading somewhere that their plan for this year was to market a 23"
>HDTV for $99 by Christmas time.

Target has the Olevia 219H 19" LCD HDTV (1080i) for $299 so I think a $99
23" model is still a ways off.

http://www.target.com/gp/browse.html...node=293488011