FS: (18) LCD1901HD 19" HD LCD MONITORS, NEW IN BOX

Petem wrote:
> "Robert L Bass" <RobertLBass@verizon.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
> H0hBi.127$ih.10@trnddc01...
>> All monitors are sold.
>>
>
> don't you mean shipped back to the distributor?
>
>
>


No. They were already *at* the distributor. Bass ordered them and the
customer changed their mind. I'm certain that (given the short time
frame and Bass' penchant for self-aggrandizement), they were actually
returned to the manufacturer. The only people interested in buying
"ToteVision" are those individuals that are spending other people's
money (i.e. Government). Interesting point... For any Provincial
Government contract, one of the first things they ask for is individual
Police record checks along with certified copies of our employee's
provincial licenses.

Frank Olson wrote:
For any Provincial
> Government contract, one of the first things they ask for is individual
> Police record checks along with certified copies of our employee's
> provincial licenses.

u need to get into the dropship biz. real streamlined entry process.

> u need to get into the dropship biz.
> real streamlined entry process.

We do business not only with the US federal government and all
branches of the military, but also numerous state governments and
even a few foreign governments. That includes several Canadian
provincial government agencies and a few embassies. They never ask
about anything but price, product availability and return policies.
Many smaller orders (under $5000 usually but it varies from one
agency to the next) are called in with government issued Visa cards.
The buyers almost never place orders online. They invariably call
in.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
941-925-8650
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
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Robert L Bass wrote:
>> u need to get into the dropship biz.
>> real streamlined entry process.
>
> We do business not only with the US federal government and all branches
> of the military, but also numerous state governments and even a few
> foreign governments. That includes several Canadian provincial
> government agencies and a few embassies. They never ask about anything
> but price, product availability and return policies. Many smaller orders
> (under $5000 usually but it varies from one agency to the next) are
> called in with government issued Visa cards. The buyers almost never
> place orders online. They invariably call in.
>

Yeah... sure they do, Bass. Provincial governments don't buy anything
without employing the tender process (that includes office supplies
which they award three or five year contracts for). It's highly
doubtful that *any* Canadian government agency would be calling some
Nimrod in Sarasota (who doesn't even have an 800 number) when their
tender policy states that preference will be given to Canadian
registered corporations. You've obviously never dealt with *any*
Canadian government agency. I'm fairly certain that the US Government
would employ a similar set of practices. With your BBB record, and the
bonding requirements, I doubt they would even consider using your
services even if you were "low bid". As is usual, you are LYING.

RoberBass wrote:

>
> We do business not only with the US federal government and all branches
> of the military, but also numerous state governments and even a few
> foreign governments.


Taliban doesn't count


>That includes several Canadian provincial
> government agencies and a few embassies. They never ask about anything
> but price, product availability and return policies.

too bad u cant process returns anymore since Graham got you shut down
with ADI on diy returns. The policy is no diy returns at ADI.


>Many smaller orders
> (under $5000 usually but it varies from one agency to the next) are
> called in with government issued Visa cards. The buyers almost never
> place orders online. They invariably call in.

yeah, theyre not supposed to deal with criminals so they have to call in
because homeland security will catch internet transactions. They sure
don't want the their bass cought in the bush [administration].

> Taliban doesn't count

Sure, they do.

> too bad u cant process returns anymore since
> Graham got you shut down with ADI on diy returns.
> The policy is no diy returns at ADI...

Guess I'll have to let my ADI rep know about that. The local branch
doesn't seem to mind.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
941-925-8650
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

Frank Olson wrote:
> Robert L Bass wrote:
>>> u need to get into the dropship biz.
>>> real streamlined entry process.
>>
>> We do business not only with the US federal government and all
>> branches of the military, but also numerous state governments and
>> even a few foreign governments. That includes several Canadian
>> provincial government agencies and a few embassies. They never ask
>> about anything but price, product availability and return policies.
>> Many smaller orders (under $5000 usually but it varies from one
>> agency to the next) are called in with government issued Visa cards.
>> The buyers almost never place orders online. They invariably call
>> in.
>
> Yeah... sure they do, Bass. Provincial governments don't buy
> anything without employing the tender process (that includes office
> supplies which they award three or five year contracts for). It's
> highly doubtful that *any* Canadian government agency would be
> calling some Nimrod in Sarasota (who doesn't even have an 800 number)
> when their tender policy states that preference will be given to
> Canadian registered corporations. You've obviously never dealt with
> *any* Canadian government agency. I'm fairly certain that the US
> Government would employ a similar set of practices. With your BBB
> record, and the bonding requirements, I doubt they would even
> consider using your services even if you were "low bid". As is
> usual, you are LYING.

And, as ususal, you STILL haven't given us the ACER Model number that
yousaid we can get so cheap.

"Lewis Gardner" <lgardner@simplifiedtechnologies.com> wrote in message
news:46d24e33$0$26705$d94e5ade@news.iglou.com...
> Robert Green wrote:
>
> > What I dislike the most about LCD panels is that the
> > angle of view almost never equals that of a good CRT.
>
> Take off your polarized sunglasses!
>
> Seriously, I have installed lots of LCD computer and video monitors and
> the viewing angle is on par with CRTs for all but the oldest and
> cheapest models. The widescreen Dell I am using right now is readable
> for almost 180 degrees on both axes.

"Readable" is a very subjective word. I've looked at a lot of different
monitors and TVs since this posts try get a feel for the problem. While
LCDs are indeed much more readable at an angle than they once were (my
Fujitsu and Compaq PC screens, the best quality there was at the time, were
unreadable when about 45% off-axis. Any one of the newer LCD's I have, both
cheap and mid-range, can do far better than that. While 180 degree viewing
is a physical impossibility, a rough eyeballing with a plastic
protractor and a "sight tube" made out of PVC pipe (where's sextant when you
*really* need one?) you can still make out the characters at about 150
degrees. At least *I* can. That's remarkable considering the Fujitsu, as
beautiful as useful as it is can't be mounted on a wall and then read easily
from a nearby sitting position.

But there's a catch to the wider viewing angles of the newer, supertwisted
LC displays. The differing ways the pixels are created causes LCD to have
much more of a "sweet spot" than equivalently sized CRT's. As the viewing
angle increases, the light falloff on an LCD is quite a bit more dramatic
than a CRT. I find nowhere near the same falloff on CRT's because with my
bad visions the reduction in brightness lowers contrast as well and often
causes normal room light to wash out the image when viewed at an angle. I
work with multiple monitors and now that I've been replacing 3 monitor
"clusters" with one or more LCD monitors I find myself adjusting monitors
far more often than I ever did with CRT's.

As I was trying to photograph the Windows 2000P login screen to show how the
problem still exists, I noticed that the there's substantially less light
reaching the lens/eye as soon as you go off-center. As I varied the angle
between the screen and the camera, my camera, which displays and records
F/stop and shutter speed, captured the this information in each photo and
showed substantial difference between on and off axis viewing. The image is
indeed readable at far greater angles than 5 year old screens using older
technology. But the considerable difference in the way the pixels are
illuminated does make a difference in the screen readability from off-axis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_...lay_television

The CRT image is created by phosphorescence from an electron beam. The
image is displayed behind a layer of hard, optical quality glass that's not
likely to yellow over time. On the other hand, the LCD display is created by
filtering light from our old friend, the compact fluorescent light bulb. The
light is than filtered through layers of plastic and liquid crystal
material. Maybe the new displays are better, but on lots of LCD panels I've
seen, the CF bulbs cause very visible blotches and hotspots,. especially on
a big, mostly white screen. I am sure that will improve with time, but on
my test bench, the CRT will be returning. The main reason is that LCDs mean
I have to stoop or pull up a chair and sit just to log in to Windows. I
didn't have to do that with a CRT in the same position.

Try reading the WIN2K login dialog box on an LCD display from a very high
upward angle and report back. While I agree that most new LCD panels are a
lot better than they were, dialog boxes that use high-lighting and other
display attributes can render the most critical piece of information on the
screen unreadable. I noticed this "feature" since cracking my ribs. It's
painful for me to have to sit just to log on to a desktop computer, so I am
aware that with LCDs I find it necessary to sit or adjust the screen angle
just to type in my password accurately.

There was an article on the viewing angle issue just this month:

http://www.newscientist.com/article....ine-news_rss20

************************************************** ********
Screen swivels its crystals for a better view
12:53 06 August 2007
NewScientist.com news service
by Tom Simonite

The Taiwanese researchers have developed a prototype display connected to a
miniature camera that tracks the location of a viewer. Software then
calculates how to adjust the liquid crystals within the display to produce
the clearest possible image. "Viewing angle is an inherent, fundamental
problem for the LCD because of its working principle," says Wayne Cheng, who
developed the screen with colleague Chih-Nan Wu at the Photonics and Display
Institute, National Chiao Tung University in Taiwan.

************************************************** ********

Why would anyway undertake such an effort if there wasn't nearly universal
acknowledgement that LCDs have viewing angle problems?

My point in bringing that up I'm just reminding people to be cautious about
buying an LCD monitor of unknown age and design that they can't really
inspect before buying. Especially not from someone who really shouldn't be
advertising commercially in a COMP hierarchy newsgroup anyway. A simple
Google search revealed (428,000) hits about the viewing angle problem, many
of them quite current:

http://www.google.com/search?q=LCD+m...mpared+to+CRTs

All About Monitors: CRT Vs. LCDA CRT monitor can be viewed from almost any
angle, but with an LCD this is often a problem. When you use an LCD, your
view changes as you move different ...
http://www.webopedia.com/DidYouKnow/...t_monitors.asp -
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TalkBack: LCD vs crt review | reader response on| CNET News.comAngle of
view: Although the CRT monitors lead the way in this department, the viewing
angle on LCD monitors is getting wider and wider and current models ...
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graphics colors are very sharp, the angle of view the graphics .... Eye-One
Display from Gretag Macbeth, is intended for CRT or LCD monitors. ...
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Digital Darkroom Forum: CRT vs LCD for Digital Darkroom - photo.netAny
thought on the pros and cons of CRT vs LCD monitors for editing color photos
.... Yup, they are horribly fussy about the angle you view them at. ...
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LCD TV Buying Guide: flat screen tv ordering FAQ & TipsUnlike CRTs, LCD
monitors have only one optimal resolution. ... One of the main disadvantages
of LCDs when compared to CRTs is their limited viewing angle. ...
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Web Design - The Complete Reference: Chapter 13: Color - Monitor ...Monitor
Types: CRT vs. LCD. Most desktop computer monitors are CRT ... The most
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area. However, LCD screens are improving all the time. Viewing angle is
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you're running business software, the view angle sensitivity is unimportant.
..... It's still light compared with CRT monitors - and very light compared
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have a limited viewing angle relative to CRT and plasma displays. This can
reduce the number of people able to conveniently view the same ...
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With so many people experiencing the problem and designers working on ways
to automatically adjust the displays to optimize LCD viewing angles I'll
stand by my contention that LCDs aren't equivalent in viewing angle to CRTs,
at least not when it comes to the light falloff that occurs when LCDs are
viewed at anything other than perfectly perpendicular to the viewer's plane
of vision.

--
Bobby G.

> "Readable" is a very subjective word. I've looked at a lot of
> different
> monitors and TVs since this posts try get a feel for the problem.
> While
> LCDs are indeed much more readable at an angle than they once were
> (my
> Fujitsu and Compaq PC screens, the best quality there was at the
> time, were
> unreadable when about 45% off-axis. Any one of the newer LCD's I
> have, both
> cheap and mid-range, can do far better than that. While 180 degree
> viewing
> is a physical impossibility, a rough eyeballing with a plastic
> protractor and a "sight tube" made out of PVC pipe (where's sextant
> when you
> *really* need one?) you can still make out the characters at about
> 150
> degrees. At least *I* can.

I tried read your post from a compound angle about 4" in front 16" to
the side and 16" above the top left edge of the screen. With my poor
vision I could still read the screen clearly. Since I invariably use
the PC from a much lesser angle I conclude that your premise is
wrong. LCD monitors are quite readable, even at significantly
greater angles than are needed for normal use.

> That's remarkable considering the Fujitsu, as
> beautiful as useful as it is can't be mounted on a wall and then
> read easily
> from a nearby sitting position.

If you mean it can't be viewed from *below* its own level, that is
not surprising. Most LCD PC screens are designed to be viewed from
slightly above screen center height.

> But there's a catch to the wider viewing angles of the newer,
> supertwisted
> LC displays. The differing ways the pixels are created causes LCD
> to have
> much more of a "sweet spot" than equivalently sized CRT's. As the
> viewing
> angle increases, the light falloff on an LCD is quite a bit more
> dramatic
> than a CRT...

The fact is that in most HA applications a viewing angle greater than
60º vertical and 90º horizontal is unnecessary.

> I find nowhere near the same falloff on CRT's because with my
> bad visions the reduction in brightness lowers contrast as well...

Actually, the eye can detect finer differences in contrast at low
light levels than at higher ones.

> and often causes normal room light to wash out the image
> when viewed at an angle...

On a related note, my main TV is a 60" Sony LCD screen. The room is
an open space consisting of kitchen, dinette and family room and is
lined on two sides with 12' sliding glass doors and windows. The
previous set was a 55" Mitsubishi RPTV which was all but useless
during daylight hours. The new LCD is barely affected by ambient
light, even with all the curtains open. The set is in a corner,
facing roughly 40º across the room. It is crystal clear from wall to
wall seated on the floor on the sofas or from a standing position.

When we viewed sets in the store prior to purchasing I compared
off-angle viewing by walking along the aisle, close to the fronts of
the TVs. I could easily view all of the screens from a much sharper
angle than would normally be needed in any home viewing room. The
Sony was the clearest IMO.

By way of contrast, I compared two of our CRT sets. Neither has as
wide a viewing angle as the Sony. Neither has anywhere near the
contrast. Then again, the CRT sets cost about a fifth as much as the
big screen. Maybe you just need to invest in better quality
monitors. :^)

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-925-8650
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>