Eudora 7 (soon) announced by Qualcomm

Hi,

http://www.eudora.com/betas/Looking_..._Eudora_7.html

says

"Dear Mac Eudora user,

Our apologies for the longer than expected delay in the release of
Eudora 7 for Mac. We are reworking Eudora to make the most of Apple's
MacOSX Tiger environment, and are incorporating the new features of
SpotLight and WebKit HTML display/authoring.


The plan for Universal Binary is also on the agenda for the Mac Eudora
7 release. However, Eudora's current performance is as good on the
Intel-based Macs as on Power PC based Macs.


The Eudora version 6.2.4 for Mac download is a minor update that we are
able to provide without impact to the development of version 7. We ask
for your patience while we reconstruct Eudora for today's Macs. We know
you will be very pleased with the results.


Thank you for your continued support and loyalty.


The Eudora Team"

=?ISO-8859-9?Q?Ilgaz_=D6cal?= <ilgaz_ocal@yahoo.com> writes:


>Our apologies for the longer than expected delay in the release of
>Eudora 7 for Mac. We are reworking Eudora to make the most of Apple's
>MacOSX Tiger environment, and are incorporating the new features of
>SpotLight and WebKit HTML display/authoring.


Does this mean it will require X.4?

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David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> wrote:

> =?ISO-8859-9?Q?Ilgaz_=D6cal?= <ilgaz_ocal@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>
> >Our apologies for the longer than expected delay in the release of
> >Eudora 7 for Mac. We are reworking Eudora to make the most of Apple's
> >MacOSX Tiger environment, and are incorporating the new features of
> >SpotLight and WebKit HTML display/authoring.
>
>
> Does this mean it will require X.4?

I'm just guessing, but no, I don't think so. I think they just want it
to work well also in X.4.

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On 2006-07-18 16:38:34 +0300, David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> said:

> =?ISO-8859-9?Q?Ilgaz_=D6cal?= <ilgaz_ocal@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>
>> Our apologies for the longer than expected delay in the release of
>> Eudora 7 for Mac. We are reworking Eudora to make the most of Apple's
>> MacOSX Tiger environment, and are incorporating the new features of
>> SpotLight and WebKit HTML display/authoring.
>
>
> Does this mean it will require X.4?

I don't know but it would be sad if it required Tiger because of being
more "native" OS X program.

Apple kinda "forces" developers to say "10.3.9+ required" if they use
certain frameworks as far as I know.

Omniweb 5.5 will require 10.4 for example. Their "sneaky peek" release
notes tell that. It is a browser though, it has to do many additional
things/tricks compared to rendering a versiontracker html mailing.

We really need a developer to make a simple thing clear. Does use of
webkit and shipping universal binary means it must be 10.3.9+ only?

It doesn't need to be a Qualcomm employee or coder...

Perhaps Sander Tekelenburg like Eudora supporters (for free!)
/professional developers would make it clear when they see these
messages.

Qualcomm is a communication company having huge communication problems
with users.

They should put that page with projected system requirements like
months ago. Before 100s of people call Eudora for Mac "dead".

Ilgaz Öcal

In article <4i4fm8F24ki5U1@individual.net>,
Ilgaz Öcal <ilgaz_ocal@yahoo.com> wrote:

[...]

> Does use of
> webkit and shipping universal binary means it must be 10.3.9+ only?

I don't think so. An app can make use of available technologies, and
fall back on old ones (or just plain nothing) when they're not
available. I imagine that Eudora 7 will make use of WebKit when it can
and use its old internal HTML parser when not. Plus I see no reason why
they'd need to remove the "Open in Browser" command.

If we take iCab 3 as an extreme example: the current version is
available as a Universal Binary (not yet for non-paying users), but
there's also still a PPC-only build, which can even be used still on Mac
OS 8.5. (Although as I understand it Eudora 7 is planned to be a Cocoa
app, not Carbon, which would mean it will require Mac OS X. Which in
turn probably means Eudora 7 will require 10.2.8 or newer, given that
Mac OS X pre-10.2 isn't worth the effort.)

Having said all that, it's of course up to the developers to decide.
They might consider it too much of an effort to continue supporting
something 'old'.

(If there will be any compatibility issues, I imagine it's most likely
with the mailbox format as it seems to me that might have to be changed
to accomodate Spotlight support?)

[...]

[Qualcomm]

> They should put that page with projected system requirements like
> months ago. Before 100s of people call Eudora for Mac "dead".

It might be that there will be no new compatibility requirements and
Qualcomm therefore didn't consider any need to specify that. It might be
it is still too early to tell.. It might be they suck at communication

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In article <user-1DB27A.11340419072006@textnews.euro.net>,
Sander Tekelenburg <user@domain.invalid> wrote:

> (If there will be any compatibility issues, I imagine it's most likely
> with the mailbox format as it seems to me that might have to be changed
> to accomodate Spotlight support?)

I certainly hope not. Eudora's use of the mbox format has always been
one of its great strengths, in my view. If anything goes wrong (and
let's face it, things go wrong), my friendly text editor is right at
hand.
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On 2006-07-19 20:06:46 +0300, "R. Millstein" <usenet@spamaway.rlm.net> said:

> In article <user-1DB27A.11340419072006@textnews.euro.net>,
> Sander Tekelenburg <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
>
>> (If there will be any compatibility issues, I imagine it's most likely
>> with the mailbox format as it seems to me that might have to be changed
>> to accomodate Spotlight support?)
>
> I certainly hope not. Eudora's use of the mbox format has always been
> one of its great strengths, in my view. If anything goes wrong (and
> let's face it, things go wrong), my friendly text editor is right at
> hand.
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Wow we really missed a big deal it seems. MBOX is really important
since it is standards based.

I don't know internals of spotlight that much but if you have followed
Apple Mail, they changed to single file per message on Tiger and I
suspect it was because of Spotlight. It loves to keep messages offline
because of Spotlight too.

Question comes to mind: If Apple can't manage to make it?

There _is_ a way which will make spotlight lovers/haters happy.. A
setting could be put saying "use MBOX format (and use Eudora internal
search)" and "Use Spotlight compatible format".

They should also tell system (spotlight) to stay away from their MBOX
with a resource, plist, whatever needed. Spotlight clearly loses its
mind. It is spotlights fault , Eudora does its job fine. It is
spotlight which tries to index a 10-100 MB file. The sad fact is, you
know the deal, guy/gal will run to Versiontracker or similar sites,
post 1 star review(!) saying "It made my system slow down".

I am on a Quad Mac with 2.5 GB RAM. I saw the whole deal when I
restored my Eudora Folder from backup and forgot to add it to "privacy"
pane. Even on such machine, you figure something is going wrong at
background.

How do we suggest these? Forums? Internal feedback? MBOX format is
really really big deal. I know lots of people use Eudora with single
folder, on network. (with secure permissions). If there are multiple
Eudora formats, it will fail.

Ilgaz

In article <usenet-F8810E.10064519072006@free.teranews.com>,
"R. Millstein" <usenet@spamaway.rlm.net> wrote:

> In article <user-1DB27A.11340419072006@textnews.euro.net>,
> Sander Tekelenburg <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
>
> > (If there will be any compatibility issues, I imagine it's most likely
> > with the mailbox format as it seems to me that might have to be changed
> > to accomodate Spotlight support?)
>
> I certainly hope not. Eudora's use of the mbox format has always been
> one of its great strengths, in my view.

And a problem as well, because it has no room for metadata. As a result,
they've used "toc" files next to the mailboxes or TOC resources in the
resource forks of the mbox files, and the latter approach has imposed
limits on mailbox size that some people actually find limiting.

Also note that technically, Eudora doesn't use a proper mbox anyway.
They put ???@??? where mbox has the envelope sender (which Eudora can't
really know) and it uses carriage returns instead of standard linefeeds.
This means that even though Mac Eudora is now on a Unix machine where
they are a lot of tools for manipulating mbox files, it's still a Eudora
or text editor task.

> If anything goes wrong (and
> let's face it, things go wrong), my friendly text editor is right at
> hand.

Spotlight support almost demands a change to one message per file. It
does not mean abandoning a transparent format that can be manipulated by
a text editor. Apple Mail messages are not binary blobs, and there's no
rational reason for Eudora to adopt a non-text format just to work in
Spotlight. Adopting a format much like Mail's would also eliminate the
mangled message issues.

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In article <bill-05CB71.20365419072006@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com >,
Bill Cole <bill@scconsult.com> wrote:

> In article <usenet-F8810E.10064519072006@free.teranews.com>,
> "R. Millstein" <usenet@spamaway.rlm.net> wrote:

> > I certainly hope not. Eudora's use of the mbox format has always been
> > one of its great strengths, in my view.
>
> And a problem as well, because it has no room for metadata. As a result,
> they've used "toc" files next to the mailboxes or TOC resources in the
> resource forks of the mbox files, and the latter approach has imposed
> limits on mailbox size that some people actually find limiting.

What are the limits?

> Also note that technically, Eudora doesn't use a proper mbox anyway.
> They put ???@??? where mbox has the envelope sender (which Eudora can't
> really know) and it uses carriage returns instead of standard linefeeds.
> This means that even though Mac Eudora is now on a Unix machine where
> they are a lot of tools for manipulating mbox files, it's still a Eudora
> or text editor task.

Yet, there are other benefits of being in this format, albeit
imperfectly, like being able to translate easily to other mail programs.

> > If anything goes wrong (and
> > let's face it, things go wrong), my friendly text editor is right at
> > hand.
>
> Spotlight support almost demands a change to one message per file.

Does it? I thought that Ilgaz had some good suggestions for how this
might be handled, in another message in this thread.

I'm happy with Eudora's search features. I know when what I'm looking
for is in my email or elsewhere. I'm not really looking for Spotlight
on my email. I can understand why others would want it, but I am
willing to forgo it to keep the file format as it is.

Right now, according to the "Count the mail" script (if that works
properly on Eudora 6.x), I have 60,768 messages. The thought of Eudora
using that many files makes my stomach churn. I don't want that mess on
my computer. I'm sure that others have many more messages than that.

> It
> does not mean abandoning a transparent format that can be manipulated by
> a text editor. Apple Mail messages are not binary blobs, and there's no
> rational reason for Eudora to adopt a non-text format just to work in
> Spotlight. Adopting a format much like Mail's would also eliminate the
> mangled message issues.

Maybe I'm just lucky, but I've had astonishingly few of these in the ~10
years I've been using Eudora.
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R. Millstein <usenet@spamaway.rlm.net> wrote:

> > Apple Mail messages are not binary blobs, and there's no
> > rational reason for Eudora to adopt a non-text format just to work in
> > Spotlight. Adopting a format much like Mail's would also eliminate the
> > mangled message issues.
>
> Maybe I'm just lucky, but I've had astonishingly few of these in the ~10
> years I've been using Eudora.

I don't think you're exceptionally lucky- it's true for me as well, with
Eudora 1.x, 3.1.3 and 6.1.

Sadly, although like you I feel no need for Spotlight, as it's a major
OS10 feature these days, in any new version of Eudora we're going to
have to have it, whether or not we need it.
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