Upgrade to 4.3 - Pegasus

In article <MGppf.33909$XJ5.23388@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, news1
@DELETE_THISmccune.cc says...
> I was happy to download 4.3 and ran the install to update my multi-user setup
> of 4.21c. Unfortunately, it did not update 4.21c. It appears to have done a
> complete install of 4.3 into the pmail folder after renaming the existing
> pmail folder to pmail -. I seem to have v4.21c working properly again by
> just renaming these two folders, but how do I update my existing install of
> 4.21c?

You should be able to select update (rather than new install) when
installing v4.3 on the second window that opens.

Andrew

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There is a new directory structure with version 4.31: everything goes
into the subdirectory \programs. You can just delete the rest (except
\mail eventually, where new mailboxes are located).

In case you want to update, you should just backup the file pmail.cfg
and copy it back into the \programs directory afterwards. This file
records, which user(s) exist on your system and where the mailbox(es)
are located.

Gruß,
Felix

Felix Brenk <fbag@gmx.net> wrote in
news:3cudq1tivscr5gfa8peokie1sfbsvdhn9q@4ax.com:

> There is a new directory structure with version 4.31: everything goes
> into the subdirectory \programs. You can just delete the rest (except
> \mail eventually, where new mailboxes are located).
>
> In case you want to update, you should just backup the file pmail.cfg
> and copy it back into the \programs directory afterwards. This file
> records, which user(s) exist on your system and where the mailbox(es)
> are located.
>
> Gruß,
> Felix
>

I just updated Pegasus Mail to v4.31 and the PMail program folder is
still at C:\PMail and the mail folders are still under D:\PMail as
before. If one chooses the Install option when the installer is run,
then what you stated may be true, but then you would probably have two
installs of Pegasus Mail(I'm not sure on this last one). No problems
here and everything is fine without having change anything.

Andrew Steele ROT-13 encoded <naqerjfgrryr@fcnzpbc.arg> wrote in
news:MPG.1e108698e998876d9896b0@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk:

> You should be able to select update (rather than new install) when
> installing v4.3 on the second window that opens.

Andrew,

Thank you very much.

The last time I updated Pegasus was from 3.12c to 4.21c, and I really don't
recall the presence of an Update button then or previously. Of course, my
recall may be wrong. Anyway, I wasn't looking for that option, and didn't
see it. But, when doing this today, it was a rapid and painless upgrade.

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>From V 3.12c to 4.21c you could just override the old installation and
everything would be fine. But as mentioned before with 4.31 the
directory structure has changed completely. Believe it or not: version
4.31 lays the grounds for the upcoming new version 5.0 already with
more than 1500 changes within the sourcecode (according to
http://www.pmail.com/v431.htm )!

On all of my three computers nothing has been deleted during the
uninstall-procedure of the old pmail-version (I assume this to be a
bug?). You would now have to add "\programs" within the commandline of
an old desktop icon f.e. to get it started, because program-folder and
mailbox are installed parallel to each other (which is not according to
windows guidelines at all!).

I also have the feeling that it is very tricky to configure a new
installation for any existing mailbox. That's why I am recommending to
backup pmail.cfg of an old installation. If you just copy this file
back into the new programs directory everything will be as it used to
be...

FB

John Gray schrieb:

> I just updated Pegasus Mail to v4.31 and the PMail program folder is
> still at C:\PMail and the mail folders are still under D:\PMail as
> before. If one chooses the Install option when the installer is run,
> then what you stated may be true, but then you would probably have two
> installs of Pegasus Mail(I'm not sure on this last one). No problems
> here and everything is fine without having change anything.

Which version did you upgrade from? You might be right. But I had two
different installations on my computer with 4.21c (occasionally updated
form 3.12c before) and 4.3 beta (accessing the same
multiuser-mailboxes). Somehow I had the feeling that there is some
differrence with the new version (by looking into the program
directories). So I did a more or less propper uninstall first (without
restart). As mentioned before, the installer created a new subdirectory
\programs besides \mail within the given structure (on my system in
c:\programs\internet\winpmail). Whereas the mailbox directory should
have been installed within "documents and settings\'user'\application
data" according to common windows guidelines. But this would not match
pmails multiuser-concept for sure.

As far as I can remember you used to be asked where the
mailbox-directory shall be located during the first run with the older
versions. Now with V 4.3 there is an admin-user created by default
already (within \mail). That is why you can add new users easily, but
it gets very tricky to move to another mailbox location (existing
already ).

I wonder if I should report this to David Harris? Or is he checking
this newsgroup from time to time?

Felix

What the heck are you talking about? Your supposed to use the "Update"
button for updating existing installations, hence it's naming ...?!?!

On 20 Dec 2005 05:10:56 -0800, "Felix Brenk" <fbag@gmx.net> wrote:

> >From V 3.12c to 4.21c you could just override the old installation and
> everything would be fine. But as mentioned before with 4.31 the
> directory structure has changed completely. Believe it or not: version
> 4.31 lays the grounds for the upcoming new version 5.0 already with
> more than 1500 changes within the sourcecode (according to
> http://www.pmail.com/v431.htm )!
>
> On all of my three computers nothing has been deleted during the
> uninstall-procedure of the old pmail-version (I assume this to be a
> bug?). You would now have to add "\programs" within the commandline of
> an old desktop icon f.e. to get it started, because program-folder and
> mailbox are installed parallel to each other (which is not according to
> windows guidelines at all!).
>
> I also have the feeling that it is very tricky to configure a new
> installation for any existing mailbox. That's why I am recommending to
> backup pmail.cfg of an old installation. If you just copy this file
> back into the new programs directory everything will be as it used to
> be...
>
> FB


Michael

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On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:30:11 GMT, John Gray <nospam@invalid.com>
wrote:

>Felix Brenk <fbag@gmx.net> wrote in
>news:3cudq1tivscr5gfa8peokie1sfbsvdhn9q@4ax.com:
>
>> There is a new directory structure with version 4.31: everything goes
>> into the subdirectory \programs. You can just delete the rest (except
>> \mail eventually, where new mailboxes are located).
>>
>> In case you want to update, you should just backup the file pmail.cfg
>> and copy it back into the \programs directory afterwards. This file
>> records, which user(s) exist on your system and where the mailbox(es)
>> are located.
>>
>> Gruß,
>> Felix
>>
>
>I just updated Pegasus Mail to v4.31 and the PMail program folder is
>still at C:\PMail and the mail folders are still under D:\PMail as
>before. If one chooses the Install option when the installer is run,
>then what you stated may be true, but then you would probably have two
>installs of Pegasus Mail(I'm not sure on this last one). No problems
>here and everything is fine without having change anything.
>

Similar experience here. I upgraded from 4.31beta to 4.31. The
existing folder structure on my home network server was:

z:\system\pmail
z:\system\pmail\executables
z:\system\pmail\<usernames>

None of this was altered by the update process.


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"Felix Brenk" <fbag@gmx.net> wrote in news:1135086503.645563.39490
@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

> John Gray schrieb:
>
>> I just updated Pegasus Mail to v4.31 and the PMail program folder is
>> still at C:\PMail and the mail folders are still under D:\PMail as
>> before. If one chooses the Install option when the installer is run,
>> then what you stated may be true, but then you would probably have
two
>> installs of Pegasus Mail(I'm not sure on this last one). No problems
>> here and everything is fine without having change anything.
>
> Which version did you upgrade from? You might be right. But I had two
> different installations on my computer with 4.21c (occasionally
updated
> form 3.12c before) and 4.3 beta (accessing the same
> multiuser-mailboxes). Somehow I had the feeling that there is some
> differrence with the new version (by looking into the program
> directories). So I did a more or less propper uninstall first (without
> restart). As mentioned before, the installer created a new
subdirectory
> \programs besides \mail within the given structure (on my system in
> c:\programs\internet\winpmail). Whereas the mailbox directory should
> have been installed within "documents and settings\'user'\application
> data" according to common windows guidelines. But this would not match
> pmails multiuser-concept for sure.

I updated from v4.30pb1. You may be onto something about having two
installs which may have confused the Update even if you did select it.
I didn't attempt to put the mailbox directories under the typical
windows users folders, as I had read that that wouldn't work correctly.
When I moved from an old P166 with Win95a and Pegasus Mail 4.21c to my
new machine with Win XP Pro SP2, I installed the program into C:\PMail.
I then copyied the mailbox folders to D:\Pmail\Mail as they were on the
old machine via ethernet. I also copied Pegasus.ini and PMail.cfg from
the old program folder to the new machine. This worked well with the
Win XP administor account.

I had to learn how to set the proper permissions so each user could
access only their mailbox and not see the rest. I did need Write only
permission for each user to all users Mailbox so they could send
messages using Pegasus Mail's local transport. Quite a learning curve
for someone making such a large jump in OS. That took about 2 hours of
fiddling. If they are set up correctly, it can cause problems and has
resulted in numerous complaints of 'bugs' that are simply the result of
not having sufficient permissions.


> As far as I can remember you used to be asked where the
> mailbox-directory shall be located during the first run with the older
> versions. Now with V 4.3 there is an admin-user created by default
> already (within \mail). That is why you can add new users easily, but
> it gets very tricky to move to another mailbox location (existing
> already ).

Truthfully, it's been 10 years since I would have seen that question. I
can't remember.

> I wonder if I should report this to David Harris? Or is he checking
> this newsgroup from time to time?
>
> Felix
>

He doesn't follow this newsgroup. There are a few Beta team members
that participate here. If they determine that there is an issue, it
will be discussed with him. I don't think this necessarily qualifies,
though.

BTW, do you have you install working correctly now?