user doesn't follow IMAP login user so sendmail barfs - Pine

*** Jaibee (antjaibee@gmail.common) wrote in comp.mail.pine today:

So when I login to pine, I have to give my username on the main
department machines.

1) I'd like to change the default but can't find the variable. Didn't
there used to be a USER variable in pine?

Add "/user=yourid" to the name of the server. It should look like
your.imap.server/user=yourid

If you need to add "/ssl" or otheriwise you should also do that.

2) Even though I've logged in, when I try to send a message pine uses
my local loginID, not the one that I logged into the imap server
with. Therefore, when I try to send mail, our mail server (quite
properly) says I'm an unverified sender.

You may need to change your from header. Press M S C and add under
customized headers

customized-hdrs= "Your Name" <your@other.address>

Also add <your@other.address> to your alt-addresses option.

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On 18 Feb 2005 Jaibee (jaibee@gmail.com) wrote:
> I have a different login on my desktop than on the rest of the
> department machines so that I can tell from my finder window which
> machine / file system I'm using.
>
> So when I login to pine, I have to give my username on the main
> department machines.
>
> 1) I'd like to change the default but can't find the variable. Didn't
> there used to be a USER variable in pine?
>
> 2) Even though I've logged in, when I try to send a message pine uses
> my local loginID, not the one that I logged into the imap server with.
> Therefore, when I try to send mail, our mail server (quite properly)
> says I'm an unverified sender.
>
> I assume the same thing would solve both these problems -- I need to
> let pine have my login name on the IMAP system. Is there hope, or do I
> have to rename my account?


Add the '/user=' qualifier to all your server specifications. For
example, if your user name on the system is jaibee, use something
like:

inbox-path={imap.cs.bath.ac.uk/ssl/novalidate-cert/user=jaibee}INBOX

folder-collections={imap.cs.bath.ac.uk/ssl/novalidate-cert/user=jaibee}mail/[]

smtp-server=smtp.cs.bath.ac.uk/ssl/novalidate-cert/user=jaibee

I have lots of information about setting up Pine on my Power Pine
page, which is in my sig below.

Welcome to the world of Mac OS X and Pine, which is the world I'm
also in!

Nancy

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Thanks -- These suggestions have helped some, but I am still getting
pathalogical delays due to a false belief that files are locked.
"Files" here include archives, the fcc target, and postponed-mail.

First, for the record, the smtp-sever line & folder-collections that
Nancy suggested broke things; it was better leaving those alone.
Eduardo was entirely right about what I had to change, but slightly
wrong about how to change it. For customized-hdrs I had to do:

customized-hdrs=From: My Name <mn@my.domain>

It's important not to have double quotes for some reason, & of course
you need to specify the header you are customizing.

I can now see & do everything I want eventually, but I have to wait for
a very long time if I want to fcc, or open a file or get permission to
send a new mail (due to postponed messages). After several minutes, I
get a message, e.g. "sent-mail is locked, will override in 300
seconds", then obviously I have to wait another 5 minutes for this to
happen.

I've changed every timeout I can find to 10 seconds, but this hasn't
had an impact. But more importantly, something is still not right if
pine thinks all my files are locked.

Thanks!

Jaibe

*** Jaibee (antjaibee@gmail.common) wrote in comp.mail.pine today:

First, for the record, the smtp-sever line & folder-collections that
Nancy suggested broke things; it was better leaving those alone.
Eduardo was entirely right about what I had to change, but slightly
wrong about how to change it. For customized-hdrs I had to do:

customized-hdrs=From: My Name <mn@my.domain>

It's important not to have double quotes for some reason, & of course
you need to specify the header you are customizing.

Hold on. I just tried my suggestion and it worked. What did you do? Did
you edit your .pinerc? did you do it from the configuration screen? There
seems to be a problem of communication here if nothing that we suggest
works for you.

I can now see & do everything I want eventually, but I have to wait for
a very long time if I want to fcc, or open a file or get permission to
send a new mail (due to postponed messages). After several minutes, I
get a message, e.g. "sent-mail is locked, will override in 300
seconds", then obviously I have to wait another 5 minutes for this to
happen.

Manually remove the locks and restart. Does the problem happen again?

I've changed every timeout I can find to 10 seconds, but this hasn't
had an impact. But more importantly, something is still not right if
pine thinks all my files are locked.

None of the timeouts are relevant to your problem. All timeouts have to do
with external connections, not with locking. If you can remove the locks
(by removing the files ending in ".lock") you should have a fresh start.
Do things go back to normal after that?

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On 19 Feb 2005 Eduardo Chappa (chappa@math.washington.edu) wrote:
> I can now see & do everything I want eventually, but I have to wait for
> a very long time if I want to fcc, or open a file or get permission to
> send a new mail (due to postponed messages). After several minutes, I
> get a message, e.g. "sent-mail is locked, will override in 300
> seconds", then obviously I have to wait another 5 minutes for this to
> happen.
>
> Manually remove the locks and restart. Does the problem happen again?


If removing the locks and restarting does not solve the problem,
please post the sections of your pinerc that specify your:

default-fcc
postponed-folder
folder-collections

I am wondering if these are local or remote (IMAP-accessible).
I'm thinking that maybe you are using local calls over some type
of network file system and that is ALWAYS A RECIPE FOR LOCKING
PROBLEMS. If that's the case, then switching to IMAP for
accessing these should solve the locking problem

Nancy

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*** NM Public (antagorae@nm.deflexion.common) wrote in comp.mail.pine today:

> Manually remove the locks and restart. Does the problem happen again?

I am wondering if these are local or remote (IMAP-accessible). I'm
thinking that maybe you are using local calls over some type of network
file system and that is ALWAYS A RECIPE FOR LOCKING PROBLEMS. If that's
the case, then switching to IMAP for accessing these should solve the
locking problem

Sometimes the issue is that the method used to do the locking is not the
right one. When I worked in the Cygwin port of pine some time ago, I saw
the problem this person described. In that case the solution was to change
the locking method (that amounts to changing a parameter during
compilation, nothing that can be done by a configuration option). The
first thing to try, though, is to remove those files and see what happens,
if the problem repeats after that, then it is probably something that
needs to be changed in the compilation, but then I would need to know what
code was used to build that version of Pine.

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Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> customized-hdrs=From: My Name <mn@my.domain>
>
> It's important not to have double quotes for some reason, & of
course
> you need to specify the header you are customizing.
>
> Hold on. I just tried my suggestion and it worked. What did you do?
Did
> you edit your .pinerc? did you do it from the configuration screen?
There
> seems to be a problem of communication here if nothing that we
suggest
> works for you.

Sorry if I wasn't clear -- if I did everything you (Eduardo) said and
not the the extra two things Nancy said, then it did indeed work. The
only thing was that I got an error about spaces in the name for my
customized-hdrs, so I went back to the pine man page & replicated the
code there, as you see above. But it was critical to include the
customized-hdrs as you suggested. And my mail does all work now, only
slowly! :-)

I have been editing the .pinerc directly.

> Manually remove the locks and restart. Does the problem happen again?

I haven't been able to figure out where these are yet (& on which
machine) -- I'll get back to you on this. One of the problems is that
our sysadmins have high security on all the servers, so I can't really
see what's happening on the smtp/mail server that I'm forming my
connections too. And the sysadmins aren't particularly interested in
supporting my using pine from the mac, they think I should just use a
windowed mail program (I don't like to because I have a typing injury
so I hate mousing and a couple decades worth of mail archives in
standard mailbox format so I don't want to migrate entirely to gmail.)

Jaibe

OK, I'm feeling dense at this point, but I can't find any lock files.
I can't see the directory my mail spool is kept in, but anyway the
spool is not locked, I'm having no trouble with that. It's the fcc
file, the postponed-folder, and the individual archive files that are
the problems.

I am currently using the defaults on postponed mail:
postponed-folder=
as I said, this does find my postponed folder & does the right things
when I manipulate it, except for the time spent initially accessing it
(including just every time I create a message, when it looks to see if
the file is there).

Similarly for default-fcc --
default-fcc=sent-mail
this is finding sent-mail in my mail directory. The mail directory is
really on a mounted volume (via samba) /Volumes/jjb/mail, but I also
have it linked in my mac's home directory (ln -s, symbolic link.)

Here is my folder-collections:
folder-collections=Archives mail/[],
INBOX {imap.cs.bath.ac.uk}INBOX.[]
Again, this is working accurately, just very slowly. It finds all the
right files for both fcc & for the folder collection.

I have looked for the locks in the directories the files are stored in,
and in the /tmp file on my mac, and even in the /var/spool
subdirectories on my mac, which were pretty much all the places I've
found mentioned in the pine documentation pages where locks might live
(aside from the main one which seems to be working right in my INBOX's
directory.)

Thanks again, sorry if I'm being thick about something.

Jaibe

On Fri, 25 Feb 2005, Jaibee wrote:
> The mail directory is
> really on a mounted volume (via samba) /Volumes/jjb/mail, but I also
> have it linked in my mac's home directory (ln -s, symbolic link.)

Well, here's a problem.

You have a Mac (running Mac OS X, I assume), but you are accessing files
on a Samba-mounted directory. So, in effect, you have UNIX Pine trying to
do UNIX locking (since it's UNIX Pine) to a Windows filesystem (Samba) on
a UNIX machine.

I'm not surprised that it doesn't work.

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