Programming aspects of the Acorn case in Ohio - Programming Languages

"spinoza1111" <spinoza1111@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Oct 31, 3:53 pm, "Chris M. Thomasson" <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:[color=blue][color=green]
> > "Nick Keighley" <nick_keighley_nos...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:06197738-453a-4143-a612-62b3ffeabbc8@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> > [...]
> >[color=darkred]
> > > but the point (I assume being a non-american) of registering
> > > is to vote. So an illegal registration is an attempt to make
> > > an illegal vote.
> > > "Northern Ireland, where even the dead can vote"[/color]
> >[color=darkred]
> > > "Vote Early! Vote Often!"[/color]
> >
> > There has indeed been voter FRAUD in the sense that voters who do live
> > in a
> > given state rented a residence therein and subsequently defined that
> > point
> > as their point of residency, and executed early voting illegally: This
> > is a
> > blatant and purposeful illegal action in and of itself.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> This is blatantly false. It never happened.[/color]


[url]http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/18/brownlee.html[/url]

[...]
[color=blue][color=green]
> > He wants his candidate of choice to blindly accept illegal votes no
> > matter
> > what; wow, what a FOOL. I want both of the candidates to REJECT ANY
> > illegal
> > votes as it indeed RUINS the integrity of the election overall; period.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> Mathematically, illegal votes have no effect,[/color]

Then, mathematically, your vote has no effect right? I can't believe you
don't care about illegal voting. Trust me, its not a good practice.



[color=blue]
> as I have shown, unless
> delivered in a precinct en masse by an urban machine which last
> functioned in 1960. What DOES have an effect are frivolous lawsuits in
> Ohio designed to INTERFERE with the ordinary, day to day work of the
> Secretary of State in Ohio so that votes in smaller and rural white
> districts are counted while votes from large and urban districts are
> tied up in legal knots.[/color]

[...]

"Chris M. Thomasson" wrote:[color=blue]
> "spinoza1111" <spinoza1111@yahoo.com> wrote:
>[/color]
.... big snip ...[color=blue]
>[color=green]
>> Mathematically, illegal votes have no effect,[/color]
>
> Then, mathematically, your vote has no effect right? I can't
> believe you don't care about illegal voting. Trust me, its not
> a good practice.[/color]

One last advisement. Spinoza<anything> is a troll named Nilges,
and prone to spewing large amounts of nilgewater over this
newsgroup. Ignoring him is advisable.

--
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On Nov 3, 5:14 am, "Chris M. Thomasson" <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:[color=blue]
> "spinoza1111" <spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:fd20ad3e-0e0e-4e16-8696-10569768f788@x1g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 31, 3:53 pm, "Chris M. Thomasson" <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > "Nick Keighley" <nick_keighley_nos...@hotmail.com> wrote in message[/color][/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> > >news:06197738-453a-4143-a612-62b3ffeabbc8@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com....
> > > [...][/color][/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > but the point (I assume being a non-american) of registering
> > > > is to vote. So an illegal registration is an attempt to make
> > > > an illegal vote.
> > > > "Northern Ireland, where even the dead can vote"[/color][/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > "Vote Early! Vote Often!"[/color][/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > There has indeed been voter FRAUD in the sense that voters who do live
> > > in a
> > > given state rented a residence therein and subsequently defined that
> > > point
> > > as their point of residency, and executed early voting illegally: This
> > > is a
> > > blatant and purposeful illegal action in and of itself.[/color]
> > This is blatantly false. It never happened.[/color]
>
> [url]http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/18/br[/url]...
>
> [...]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > He wants his candidate of choice to blindly accept illegal votes no
> > > matter
> > > what; wow, what a FOOL. I want both of the candidates to REJECT ANY
> > > illegal
> > > votes as it indeed RUINS the integrity of the election overall; period.[/color]
> > Mathematically, illegal votes have no effect,[/color]
>
> Then, mathematically, your vote has no effect right? I can't believe you
> don't care about illegal voting. Trust me, its not a good practice.[/color]

Yes, mathematically, unless you are in a key precinct, your vote has
"no effect" from the standpoint of stinking, rotten, stupid, vulgar
"self-interest". But an entire generation of people in America has
been impoverished and indebted by stinking, rotten, stupid, vulgar
"self-interest", so "self-interest" is the problem.

Voting is where your dignity is recognized. Individual acts of voting
that are illegal need of course to be controlled, as does, far more
important, the abuse of courts by rich bastards intent on crippling
the operations of the Ohio Secretary of State so as to either delay or
avoid Obama's winning Ohio. They are using techniques developed first
by the CIA to destroy popular candidates in Latin America called
"black operations" because they don't recognize human dignity and want
to replace it by the sort of "self-interest" that caused people to
sign loan agreements they could not afford.[color=blue]
>[color=green]
> > as I have shown, unless
> > delivered in a precinct en masse by an urban machine which last
> > functioned in 1960. What DOES have an effect are frivolous lawsuits in
> > Ohio designed to INTERFERE with the ordinary, day to day work of the
> > Secretary of State in Ohio so that votes in smaller and rural white
> > districts are counted while votes from large and urban districts are
> > tied up in legal knots.[/color]
>
> [...]- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -[/color]

"Chris M. Thomasson" <no@spam.invalid> wrote in message
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> "spinoza1111" <spinoza1111@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:f708cbca-858c-4d81-bf16-fcc1075e1519@c22g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 3, 5:14 am, "Chris M. Thomasson" <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > "spinoza1111" <spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >
>> > news:fd20ad3e-0e0e-4e16-8696-10569768f788@x1g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Oct 31, 3:53 pm, "Chris M. Thomasson" <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:
>> > > > "Nick Keighley" <nick_keighley_nos...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >
>> > > >news:06197738-453a-4143-a612-62b3ffeabbc8@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> > > > [...]
>> >
>> > > > > but the point (I assume being a non-american) of registering
>> > > > > is to vote. So an illegal registration is an attempt to make
>> > > > > an illegal vote.
>> > > > > "Northern Ireland, where even the dead can vote"
>> >
>> > > > > "Vote Early! Vote Often!"
>> >
>> > > > There has indeed been voter FRAUD in the sense that voters who do
>> > > > live
>> > > > in a
>> > > > given state rented a residence therein and subsequently defined
>> > > > that
>> > > > point
>> > > > as their point of residency, and executed early voting illegally:
>> > > > This
>> > > > is a
>> > > > blatant and purposeful illegal action in and of itself.
>> > > This is blatantly false. It never happened.
>> >
>> > [url]http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/18/br[/url]...
>> >
>> > [...]
>> >
>> > > > He wants his candidate of choice to blindly accept illegal votes no
>> > > > matter
>> > > > what; wow, what a FOOL. I want both of the candidates to REJECT ANY
>> > > > illegal
>> > > > votes as it indeed RUINS the integrity of the election overall;
>> > > > period.
>> > > Mathematically, illegal votes have no effect,
>> >
>> > Then, mathematically, your vote has no effect right? I can't believe
>> > you
>> > don't care about illegal voting. Trust me, its not a good practice.[/color][/color]
>[color=green]
>> Yes, mathematically, unless you are in a key precinct, your vote has
>> "no effect" from the standpoint of stinking, rotten, stupid, vulgar
>> "self-interest". But an entire generation of people in America has
>> been impoverished and indebted by stinking, rotten, stupid, vulgar
>> "self-interest", so "self-interest" is the problem.[/color]
>
> [...]
>
> Are you a communist or a socialist?[/color]

Neither; he's an idiotarian.

"spinoza1111" <spinoza1111@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 3, 5:14 am, "Chris M. Thomasson" <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:[color=blue][color=green]
> > "spinoza1111" <spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:fd20ad3e-0e0e-4e16-8696-10569768f788@x1g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> > On Oct 31, 3:53 pm, "Chris M. Thomasson" <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:[color=darkred]
> > > > "Nick Keighley" <nick_keighley_nos...@hotmail.com> wrote in message[/color]
> >[color=darkred]
> > > >news:06197738-453a-4143-a612-62b3ffeabbc8@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > [...][/color]
> >[color=darkred]
> > > > > but the point (I assume being a non-american) of registering
> > > > > is to vote. So an illegal registration is an attempt to make
> > > > > an illegal vote.
> > > > > "Northern Ireland, where even the dead can vote"[/color]
> >[color=darkred]
> > > > > "Vote Early! Vote Often!"[/color]
> >[color=darkred]
> > > > There has indeed been voter FRAUD in the sense that voters who do
> > > > live
> > > > in a
> > > > given state rented a residence therein and subsequently defined that
> > > > point
> > > > as their point of residency, and executed early voting illegally:
> > > > This
> > > > is a
> > > > blatant and purposeful illegal action in and of itself.
> > > This is blatantly false. It never happened.[/color]
> >
> > [url]http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/18/br[/url]...
> >
> > [...]
> >[color=darkred]
> > > > He wants his candidate of choice to blindly accept illegal votes no
> > > > matter
> > > > what; wow, what a FOOL. I want both of the candidates to REJECT ANY
> > > > illegal
> > > > votes as it indeed RUINS the integrity of the election overall;
> > > > period.
> > > Mathematically, illegal votes have no effect,[/color]
> >
> > Then, mathematically, your vote has no effect right? I can't believe you
> > don't care about illegal voting. Trust me, its not a good practice.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> Yes, mathematically, unless you are in a key precinct, your vote has
> "no effect" from the standpoint of stinking, rotten, stupid, vulgar
> "self-interest". But an entire generation of people in America has
> been impoverished and indebted by stinking, rotten, stupid, vulgar
> "self-interest", so "self-interest" is the problem.[/color]

[...]

Are you a communist or a socialist?

I've changed the subject-line on this subthread.
I'm sure many will find all of this off-topic, but any request
to repost it to alt.ignorant.americans.ranting.aimlessly
would of course be useless. :-)

Most of the people in this ng are intelligent. I appeal to the
"foreigners" to read the following facts and offer opinions.
(Americans need not respond. As is apparent from these
messages our minds are all hopelessly made up and we
are now capable only of irate rants. Only *very* poorly
informed Americans haven't taken sides long ago; the
idea that it is these "undecided voters" who will pick the
next President is itself very hilarious and very sad.)

On Nov 3, 2:29 am, spinoza1111 <spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> On Oct 31, 3:53 pm, "Chris M. Thomasson" <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:[color=green]
> > He wants his candidate of choice to blindly accept illegal votes no matter
> > what; wow, what a FOOL. I want both of the candidates to REJECT ANY illegal
> > votes as it indeed RUINS the integrity of the election overall; period.[/color]
>
> Mathematically, illegal votes have no effect ... unless ...
> What DOES have an effect are frivolous lawsuits ...[/color]

Mr. Thomasson's position suggests that he is totally unaware
of facts such as the following, shown at
[url]http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/voter_purges[/url]
[color=blue]
> In 2004, for example, Florida planned to remove 48,000
> “suspected felons” from its voter rolls. Many of those
> identified were in fact eligible to vote. The flawed
> process generated a list of 22,000 African Americans
> to be purged, but only 61 voters with Hispanic surnames,
> notwithstanding Florida’s sizable Hispanic population.[/color]

For the benefit of "foreigners" I must point out that Florida's
Hispanic voting is *very* stongly pro-Republican,
Afro-American voting *very* strongly pro-Democrat.

Mr. Thomasson's postings on programming seem quite
competent. When I was a workaholic in Silicon Valley
I seldom had time to read the newspapers and perhaps he
suffers from similar blinders. It's good that he apparently
calls for post-election reconciliation, but I'm afraid that may
be optimistic:

While the Democrats have indicated they will not attempt
to prosecute the several high Bush Administration officials
who committed felonies, the idea that "Middle America" will
rally around Obama would seem incompatible with the startlingly
large number of voters who now believe Obama to be "an
anti-American Muslim."

America's system of two centrist parties worked well
for many years, but any good-spirited American not sickened
by the Republican Party of Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, and
Ken Starr is, simply put, grossly underinformed.

Anyway, here are three facts about recent American politics
on which I'd appreciate comment by "foreigners" (though, frankly,
I'll bet many Americans are unaware of these facts).

(1) Republican candidates were asked if they believed in
Darwin's Theory of Evolution and three of them appealed
to the "Republican base" by answering "No."
I'm curious what Europeans thought of this.

(2) Paul Gregory House has finally been released after
waiting 22 years on death row to be executed. (He still
awaits retrial). It is generally believed he did not
commit the rape/murder he was convicted of 22 years ago.
(DNA tests, not available at the original trial, match
semen to the husband, who has bragged to his friends
about committing the murder.) For the me, the most startling
fact in House's long wait for freedom is the following:

In 2004, the full U.S. Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled on
House's request for a retrial: one judge voted to grant the
new trial, six voted to free him immediately on grounds of
"actual innocence"; eight reaffirmed the death sentence.

Now the "punchline":

The eight judges who reaffirmed the death sentence were *all*
appointed by Republican Presidents. The other seven voting
for release or retrial were *all* appointed by Democrat
Presidents.

Republicans and the judges they appoint are the "guardians
of American values." Capital punishment is a "value" so
nobly American that it subsumes any question of guilt or
innocence.

(3) In 1993, the U.S. House of Representatives passed Bill
Clinton's U.S. Government budget by a vote of 218 to 217.
Not a single Republican Congressman voted for the bill.
The bill was delivered to the U.S. Senate where the vote
was 50 to 50. Not a single Republican Senator voted for
the bill. Albert A. Gore, Jr. ascended the dais in the
Chamber to exercise his Constitutional tie-breaking duty;
and William Jefferson Clinton signed the 1993 Budget into law.

Newt Gingrich and his fellow cynic-clowns appeared on
TV, and announced that all the blame for this "disastrous"
budget was to fall squarely on the Democrat's heads.
The Republican Party denied *all* responsibility for
the results of this Budget.

The 1993 Budget ushered in the greatest era of employment
and prosperity in American history. Government debt and
deficit had been considered a major problem; by the end of
the Clinton Administration, right-wingers led by Greenspan
were complaining that the budget *surplus* was an emerging
problem(!) -- financial contracts tied to the yield on
the U.S. Treasury "long bond" would be unenforceable if
the Treasury no longer needed to sell bonds! (That was just
eight years ago, look what the "fiscally prudent" Republicans
have since accomplished!)


The present Republican Party is despicable, cynical and corrupt,
to an extent unprecedented in American history. Anyone who
denies this is, simply put, very badly deluded.

Hope this helps,
James Dow Allen

On 3 Nov, 09:30, James Dow Allen <jdallen2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> I've changed the subject-line on this subthread.
> I'm sure many will find all of this off-topic, but any request
> to repost it to alt.ignorant.americans.ranting.aimlessly
> would of course be useless. :-)
>
> Most of the people in this ng are intelligent. I appeal to the
> "foreigners" to read the following facts and offer opinions.
> (Americans need not respond. As is apparent from these
> messages our minds are all hopelessly made up and we
> are now capable only of irate rants. Only *very* poorly
> informed Americans haven't taken sides long ago; the
> idea that it is these "undecided voters" who will pick the
> next President is itself very hilarious and very sad.)[/color]

you seem to rather naivly believe that the rest of the world
outside the USA is entirely made up of fair minded and
reasonable people. If only this were true!
[color=blue]
> On Nov 3, 2:29 am, spinoza1111 <spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > On Oct 31, 3:53 pm, "Chris M. Thomasson" <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:[color=darkred]
> > > He wants his candidate of choice to blindly accept illegal votes no matter
> > > what; wow, what a FOOL. I want both of the candidates to REJECT ANY illegal
> > > votes as it indeed RUINS the integrity of the election overall; period.[/color][/color]
>[color=green]
> > Mathematically, illegal votes have no effect ... unless ...
> > What DOES have an effect are frivolous lawsuits ...[/color][/color]

I'm with Mr Thomasson on this one. No one should encourage
illegal voting. Saddam Hussein was reelected the last time
he held an election by 100% of the electorate.

[color=blue]
> Mr. Thomasson's position suggests that he is totally unaware
> of facts such as the following, shown[/color]

<snip>

I'm sure he knows stuff like this goes on. Fuel to
Northern Ireland's fires were added by fixing the electoral
boundaries. If an area has a high proportion of pop A
and is surrounded by pop B. Then split the A's amongst
the Bs.

Electoral gerrymanding is as old as ballots. All forms
of vote rigging should be frowned upon.

<snip>
[color=blue]
> While the Democrats have indicated they will not attempt
> to prosecute the several high Bush Administration officials
> who committed felonies,[/color]

I just learned two things. HBA officails are *known* to have
committed felonies? The democrats aren't going to prosecute.
Sounds like they're both wrong.

<snip>
[color=blue]
> America's system of two centrist parties worked well
> for many years, but any good-spirited American not sickened
> by the Republican Party of Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, and
> Ken Starr is, simply put, grossly underinformed.[/color]

I'm no fan of GB's government, but isn't there an ever so
slight tinge of partisanship here?

Personally I think Guantanamo Bay and Abu Graib will
haunt American for decades. You lost the high moral
ground for a generation.

Who remmembers which prison Sadam Hussein used for
torturing people? If you mention the name of the prison
who is remembered running it?

[color=blue]
> Anyway, here are three facts about recent American politics
> on which I'd appreciate comment by "foreigners" (though, frankly,
> I'll bet many Americans are unaware of these facts).
>
> (1) Republican candidates were asked if they believed in
> Darwin's Theory of Evolution and three of them appealed
> to the "Republican base" by answering "No."
> I'm curious what Europeans thought of this.[/color]

you let religion taint your politics. The European
solution was to fight several centuries of bloody warefare
over the issue until we were thoughly bored with the
whole thing.

Your republicans are in a cleft stick here. In my country
our politicians are scared to admit they have any religion.
[color=blue]
> (2) Paul Gregory House has finally been released after
> waiting 22 years on death row to be executed. (He still
> awaits retrial). It is generally believed he did not
> commit the rape/murder he was convicted of 22 years ago.[/color]

apparently your chances of execution in America
are inversely proportional to your education level.
This is after conviction.

<snip>

[color=blue]
> For the me, the most startling
> fact in House's long wait for freedom is the following:
>
> In 2004, the full U.S. Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled on
> House's request for a retrial: one judge voted to grant the
> new trial, six voted to free him immediately on grounds of
> "actual innocence"; eight reaffirmed the death sentence.
>
> Now the "punchline":
>
> The eight judges who reaffirmed the death sentence were *all*
> appointed by Republican Presidents. The other seven voting
> for release or retrial were *all* appointed by Democrat
> Presidents.[/color]

scarey. With our system all our judges are carefully
selected to be mad old bats who barely understand what
day it and probably thing young margaret is still
running the country (and some of them mean the queen's
sister).

[color=blue]
> Republicans and the judges they appoint are the "guardians
> of American values." Capital punishment is a "value" so
> nobly American that it subsumes any question of guilt or
> innocence.[/color]

hey! you execute less people than China, Nigeria, Iran
or the PRC! There are worse countries than yours!

[color=blue]
> (3) In 1993, the U.S. House of Representatives passed Bill
> Clinton's U.S. Government budget by a vote of 218 to 217.[/color]

<snip lots of american political stuff>

I'm sure very interesting but I'm not sure what your
point is.
[color=blue]
> The Republican Party denied *all* responsibility for
> the results of this Budget.[/color]

that's what opposition parties do
[color=blue]
> The 1993 Budget ushered in the greatest era of employment
> and prosperity in American history.[/color]

there are some who think politicians don't have as much
influence on the economy as they like to think. For good
or bad.

[color=blue]
> The present Republican Party is despicable, cynical and corrupt,
> to an extent unprecedented in American history. Anyone who
> denies this is, simply put, very badly deluded.[/color]

I suspect if you read some history you'd find some equally
bad spots elsewhere.

"This too will pass"


--
Nick Keighley
Increase consistency, but allow appropriate
pragmatism (within clear guiding principles).

On Nov 3, 11:53 am, "Chris M. Thomasson" <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:[color=blue]
> "spinoza1111" <spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f708cbca-858c-4d81-bf16-fcc1075e1519@c22g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 3, 5:14 am, "Chris M. Thomasson" <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > "spinoza1111" <spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message[/color][/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> > >news:fd20ad3e-0e0e-4e16-8696-10569768f788@x1g2000prh.googlegroups.com....
> > > On Oct 31, 3:53 pm, "Chris M. Thomasson" <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > "Nick Keighley" <nick_keighley_nos...@hotmail.com> wrote in message[/color][/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > >news:06197738-453a-4143-a612-62b3ffeabbc8@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups..com...
> > > > > [...][/color][/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > but the point (I assume being a non-american) of registering
> > > > > > is to vote. So an illegal registration is an attempt to make
> > > > > > an illegal vote.
> > > > > > "Northern Ireland, where even the dead can vote"[/color][/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > "Vote Early! Vote Often!"[/color][/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > There has indeed been voter FRAUD in the sense that voters who do
> > > > > live
> > > > > in a
> > > > > given state rented a residence therein and subsequently defined that
> > > > > point
> > > > > as their point of residency, and executed early voting illegally:
> > > > > This
> > > > > is a
> > > > > blatant and purposeful illegal action in and of itself.
> > > > This is blatantly false. It never happened.[/color][/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> > >[url]http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/18/br[/url]....[/color][/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > [...][/color][/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > He wants his candidate of choice to blindly accept illegal votes no
> > > > > matter
> > > > > what; wow, what a FOOL. I want both of the candidates to REJECT ANY
> > > > > illegal
> > > > > votes as it indeed RUINS the integrity of the election overall;
> > > > > period.
> > > > Mathematically, illegal votes have no effect,[/color][/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > Then, mathematically, your vote has no effect right? I can't believe you
> > > don't care about illegal voting. Trust me, its not a good practice.[/color]
> > Yes, mathematically, unless you are in a key precinct, your vote has
> > "no effect" from the standpoint of stinking, rotten, stupid, vulgar
> > "self-interest". But an entire generation of people in America has
> > been impoverished and indebted by stinking, rotten, stupid, vulgar
> > "self-interest", so "self-interest" is the problem.[/color]
>
> [...]
>
> Are you a communist or a socialist?- Hide quoted text -[/color]

"Have you stopped beating your wife?"

If rejecting the sort of "self-interest" that makes people work on
crap code 24/7 only to see their jobs shipped to India and sign
foolish mortgages makes me a socialist, then I guess I'm a democratic
socialist.[color=blue]
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> - Show quoted text -[/color]

Nick Keighley said:

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> I'm no fan of GB's government,[/color]

I'm no fan of *any* government (which is not to say that I would prefer
anarchy, for I most avowedly would not), and the victors of elections
invariably turn out to be governments. So, from my point of view, every
election result is wrong.
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> but isn't there an ever so
> slight tinge of partisanship here?[/color]

Gee, ya think? :-)
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> Personally I think Guantanamo Bay and Abu Graib will
> haunt American for decades. You lost the high moral
> ground for a generation.[/color]

Countries can neither take, hold, nor lose the moral high ground. Only
people can do that.
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> Who remmembers which prison Sadam Hussein used for
> torturing people?[/color]

It was Abu Ghraib.
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> If you mention the name of the prison
> who is remembered running it?[/color]

Al-Amn al-Amm (General Security), headed by Rafi Abd al-Latif Talfah at the
time of the invasion. I was quite surprised to see that Wikipedia actually
got this right!

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So - programming, anyone?

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