Re: Another place to find free Common Lisp libraries

Kenny wrote:
> > It is not a wonder, that non-lispers have a hard time to love or
> > appreciate lisp, and in my opinion they are just.
>
> Would you expect sheep to be attracted to the lifestyle of a hawk?

you are implying lisp is superior?

frankly, today, i find nothing in lisp that would warrent it as a
superior language, in light of the so many new functional langs.

as i have said here, i have been coding as a hobby elisp since 2006. I
like it more than say perl, python, only marginally, primarily only
because the language is primarily geared towards functional style. The
more i know of elisp as a lisp, and the more i learned cursorily of
Common Lisp, the less i have interest in lisp. As i've said, i find no
interest in learning Common Lisp (nor Scheme lisp).

The fundamental problems of lisp i wrote:
http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/w..._problems.html
are just problems of lisp in some pure computing language perpective.
Practically, as we know, there are also problems of having relatively
very small users, lack of modern libraries, huge complexity (counting
the widely acknowledged Scheme 6 fucked up), lack of some more
expressive construct in modern functional langs (e.g. pattern
matching), lack or complexity of library or name space scheme,
incompatible and mulitple implementations... (of course, lisp heads
would argue for each of these..., but the above are pretty much the
general conception just as perl is regarded as a syntax soup problem
and java is verbose to no ends)

Kenny wrote:
> The Mighty Xah, domesticated?
>
> Say it ain't so,Xah! Say it ain't so!
>
> But I guess it's good for your blood pressure.

Flame war is good!! War is good. Leisure human animals like wars, as
opposed to rotting off in boredom. It is why we see the tech geekers,
who are one of the most lonely and bored class of people, dive into
the most trivial debates with all-out energy and excitment, such as
top-posting vs bottom-posting.

See:
What Desires Are Politically Important? by Bertrand Russell
http://xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_di...l-lecture.html

Quote: «With civilized men, as with primitive Red Indian tribes, it
is, I think, chiefly love of excitement which makes the populace
applaud when war breaks out; the emotion is exactly the same as at a
football match, although the results are sometimes somewhat more
serious.»

See also:
Industrial Society and its Future, Theodore Kaczynski
SURROGATE ACTIVITIES
http://xahlee.org/p/um/um-s06.html

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xahlee@gmail.com wrote:
> Kenny wrote:
>>> It is not a wonder, that non-lispers have a hard time to love or
>>> appreciate lisp, and in my opinion they are just.
>> Would you expect sheep to be attracted to the lifestyle of a hawk?
>
> you are implying lisp is superior?

Good lord, man. The contrast was in a tendency to herd vs a tendency to
go solo. Aside from mating, of course.

>
> frankly, today, i find nothing in lisp...

may I ask on what application you are currently working that is immune
to Lisp's charms?

> ...that would warrent it as a
> superior language, in light of the so many new functional langs.

All of them copying Lisp badly, incompletely, and interpretedly. And
none of them, not even Scheme, have proper macros. That they are
/trying/ to be Lisps shows they know Lisp is superior.

QED.

kt


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Kenny wrote:

> All of them copying Lisp badly, incompletely, and interpretedly. And
> none of them, not even Scheme, have proper macros. That they are
> /trying/ to be Lisps shows they know Lisp is superior.

Outdated information. As of R6RS, scheme makes macros having the
expressive power of defmacro standard.

There are things I think that the most recent report got wrong.
They made it unnecessarily complex, but variable capture, at least,
is now possible.

Bear