Lisp in Small Pieces vs state of the art

#1 09-04-2008, 06:22 PM

I've recently read Christian Queinnec's Lisp in Small Pieces. I didn't
study it thoroughly enough to understand every little bit, still it was
a fascinating and instructional read. What I'm wondering about now is
this: the book's contents are around 12 to 15 years old and research on
implementing Lisp-like languages has not stagnated in the meantime.
Have there been significant new insights that would figure *at the
level of presentation* of LiSP?

Any suggestions for continued reading? Or should I jump into the source
code for the scheme of my choice (PLT)?

Michael

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#2 09-04-2008, 06:47 PM

Michael Schuerig wrote:

>
> I've recently read Christian Queinnec's Lisp in Small Pieces. I didn't
> study it thoroughly enough to understand every little bit, still it was
> a fascinating and instructional read. What I'm wondering about now is
> this: the book's contents are around 12 to 15 years old and research on
> implementing Lisp-like languages has not stagnated in the meantime.
> Have there been significant new insights that would figure *at the
> level of presentation* of LiSP?
>
> Any suggestions for continued reading? Or should I jump into the source
> code for the scheme of my choice (PLT)?
>

http://library.readscheme.org/

collects most relevant academic papers, including the new ones.

Bear

#3 09-04-2008, 07:11 PM

Ray Dillinger wrote:

>> Any suggestions for continued reading? Or should I jump into the
>> source code for the scheme of my choice (PLT)?
>>
>
> http://library.readscheme.org/
>
> collects most relevant academic papers, including the new ones.

Yes, I know and appreciate readscheme.org. However, it is a repository
and doesn't provide guidance on what to read -- it's the latter I'm
looking for.

Michael

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#4 09-05-2008, 04:44 AM

On Sep 4, 11:22 pm, Michael Schuerig <mich...@schuerig.de> wrote:
> I've recently read Christian Queinnec's Lisp in Small Pieces. I didn't
> study it thoroughly enough to understand every little bit, still it was
> a fascinating and instructional read. What I'm wondering about now is
> this: the book's contents are around 12 to 15 years old and research on
> implementing Lisp-like languages has not stagnated in the meantime.
> Have there been significant new insights that would figure *at the
> level of presentation* of LiSP?
>
> Any suggestions for continued reading? Or should I jump into the source
> code for the scheme of my choice (PLT)?

Mr Queinnec has a new French language edition revised for 2007 called
"Principes d'implantation de Scheme et Lisp". I don't now how much
has been added though as I don't have the earlier LiSP to compare it
with.

http://paracamplus.com/?CGIRunMode=b...n=Cours/LiSP/4

Thomas

#5 09-05-2008, 05:15 AM

Thomas Munro <thomas.munro@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sep 4, 11:22 pm, Michael Schuerig <mich...@schuerig.de> wrote:
>> I've recently read Christian Queinnec's Lisp in Small Pieces. I didn't
>> study it thoroughly enough to understand every little bit, still it was
>> a fascinating and instructional read. What I'm wondering about now is
>> this: the book's contents are around 12 to 15 years old and research on
>> implementing Lisp-like languages has not stagnated in the meantime.
>> Have there been significant new insights that would figure *at the
>> level of presentation* of LiSP?
>>
>> Any suggestions for continued reading? Or should I jump into the source
>> code for the scheme of my choice (PLT)?
>
> Mr Queinnec has a new French language edition revised for 2007 called
> "Principes d'implantation de Scheme et Lisp". I don't now how much
> has been added though as I don't have the earlier LiSP to compare it
> with.
>
> http://paracamplus.com/?CGIRunMode=b...n=Cours/LiSP/4

Unfortunately, I don't have the first edition to compare, only the
table of contents. I didn't notice any difference in the tables of
contents (but I compared quickly).

--
__Pascal Bourguignon__

#6 09-05-2008, 12:37 PM

On Sep 5, 3:44*am, Thomas Munro <thomas.mu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mr Queinnec has a new French language edition revised for 2007 called
> "Principes d'implantation de Scheme et Lisp". *I don't now how much
> has been added though as I don't have the earlier LiSP to compare it
> with.
>
> http://paracamplus.com/?CGIRunMode=b...n=Cours/LiSP/4

Is there an English version?

#7 09-05-2008, 01:36 PM

Grant Rettke <grettke@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sep 5, 3:44*am, Thomas Munro <thomas.mu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Mr Queinnec has a new French language edition revised for 2007 called
>> "Principes d'implantation de Scheme et Lisp". *I don't now how much
>> has been added though as I don't have the earlier LiSP to compare it
>> with.

From Christian's mouth, there's only minor changes (typo fixes, a
couple of new references, bugfix in a sample code, stuff like that).

>> http://paracamplus.com/?CGIRunMode=b...n=Cours/LiSP/4
>
> Is there an English version?

Nope.

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#8 09-05-2008, 04:08 PM

On Sep 5, 12:36*pm, Didier Verna <did...@lrde.epita.fr> wrote:
> Grant Rettke <gret...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 5, 3:44*am, Thomas Munro <thomas.mu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Mr Queinnec has a new French language edition revised for 2007 called
> >> "Principes d'implantation de Scheme et Lisp". *I don't now how much
> >> has been added though as I don't have the earlier LiSP to compare it
> >> with.
>
> * *From Christian's mouth, there's only minor changes (typo fixes, a
> couple of new references, bugfix in a sample code, stuff like that).
>
> >>http://paracamplus.com/?CGIRunMode=b...n=Cours/LiSP/4
>
> > Is there an English version?
>
> * Nope.

How many years would it take to learn French well enough to read this?

#9 09-05-2008, 05:05 PM

Grant Rettke <grettke@gmail.com> wrote:

> How many years would it take to learn French well enough to read this?

Since the differences are minor, I would advise you to read the
english one ;-) (unless you're interested in learning French anyway; but
then, I'm the last person who could tell you how long it would take).

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#10 09-05-2008, 09:43 PM

Grant Rettke wrote:
> On Sep 5, 12:36 pm, Didier Verna <did...@lrde.epita.fr> wrote:
>> Grant Rettke <gret...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sep 5, 3:44 am, Thomas Munro <thomas.mu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Mr Queinnec has a new French language edition revised for 2007 called
>>>> "Principes d'implantation de Scheme et Lisp". I don't now how much
>>>> has been added though as I don't have the earlier LiSP to compare it
>>>> with.
>> From Christian's mouth, there's only minor changes (typo fixes, a
>> couple of new references, bugfix in a sample code, stuff like that).
>>
>>>> http://paracamplus.com/?CGIRunMode=b...n=Cours/LiSP/4
>>> Is there an English version?
>> Nope.
>
> How many years would it take to learn French well enough to read this?

21 days.

Pascal

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