Sending mail under my own Domain

Currently I have ipalaces.org setup in sendmail so I can send emails
with it. However, all the big companies like yahoo, microsoft and AOL
are blocking my messages or making them SPAM.

I have ipalaces.org also setup with my gmail, and when I send messages
with the ipalaces.org domain under gmails servers the messages all go
through fine. Insted of fighting with the spam protection of the
microsoft and such, id rather just setup my sendmail program to use
the GMAIL servers to send my outgoing emails. I've read numerous
tutorials and did step by step things (http://www.linuxha.com/other/
sendmail/gmail.html) but I can never seem to get it to work.

Any suggestions or a step by step tutorial for debian?

paroxsitic wrote:
> Currently I have ipalaces.org setup in sendmail so I can send emails
> with it. However, all the big companies like yahoo, microsoft and AOL
> are blocking my messages or making them SPAM.

To solve the problem, set your ISPs smtp to be the smarterhost for your
sendmail, that way all mail will be setn through your ISPs smtp server and you
won't be target of the dynamic ip detections and failed reserver dns lookups.


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//Aho

On Aug 12, 5:04*pm, "J.O. Aho" <u...@example.net> wrote:
> paroxsitic wrote:
> > Currently I have ipalaces.org setup in sendmail so I can send emails
> > with it. However, all the big companies like yahoo, microsoft and AOL
> > are blocking my messages or making them SPAM.
>
> To solve the problem, set your ISPs smtp to be the smarterhost for your
> sendmail, that way all mail will be setn through your ISPs smtp server and you
> won't be target of the dynamic ip detections and failed reserver dns lookups.
>
> --
>
> * *//Aho

ipalaces.org belongs to a VPS and has a static IP. I have set up a
reverse DNS lookup and even SPF records. I still get targetted.

In article
<9fc060ce-f170-4363-a2b0-f5738d0136fe@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
paroxsitic <Paroxsitic@gmail.com> wrote:

> Currently I have ipalaces.org setup in sendmail so I can send emails
> with it. However, all the big companies like yahoo, microsoft and AOL
> are blocking my messages or making them SPAM.
>
> I have ipalaces.org also setup with my gmail, and when I send messages
> with the ipalaces.org domain under gmails servers the messages all go
> through fine.

That's interesting, since your SPF record could be interpreted to mean
that mail that does not come from your host should be considered
suspicious.

> Insted of fighting with the spam protection of the
> microsoft and such, id rather just setup my sendmail program to use
> the GMAIL servers to send my outgoing emails. I've read numerous
> tutorials and did step by step things (http://www.linuxha.com/other/
> sendmail/gmail.html) but I can never seem to get it to work.

What is the failure mode? What is logged?

I have not completely picked apart the instructions on that page, but
from a quick skim it looks like they cover what you need to have set up
to use GMail as a smarthost. If you've followed them, you are probably
pretty close to working.

> Any suggestions or a step by step tutorial for debian?

If you want to explicitly route all of your mail through any system you
do not control, the best place to start for help is the people running
that system, i.e. Google. They may not want to be providing "smarthost"
services to anyone with a simple GMail account, and may work to thwart
such use. A quick peek at their documentation shows that they are happy
to provide such a service to their paying customers, but maybe not for
their millions of GMail users. I don't know that they do anything to
interfere with free account users routing whole domains of mail through
them, but they certainly *could* do so. Keep in mind that if you are a
paying Google customer, you have a right to ask them for help, but also
that if you are just a random free GMail user, anything you *can* do
with their free services that has real value is likely to be thwarted in
the future. If, as with smarthosting, it is a valuable service that they
don't even talk about as a service for non-paying users, you can expect
them to make it break in random ways without warning.

Your other option of slogging through the MS/Yahoo/AOL deliverability
swamp is not really as bad as it looks, and is likely to be more
reliable. That assumes that you are not sending spam.

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Now where did I hide that website...

On Aug 13, 11:56*pm, Bill Cole <b...@scconsult.com> wrote:
> In article
> <9fc060ce-f170-4363-a2b0-f5738d013...@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> *paroxsitic <Paroxsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Currently I have ipalaces.org setup in sendmail so I can send emails
> > with it. However, all the big companies like yahoo, microsoft and AOL
> > are blocking my messages or making them SPAM.
>
> > I have ipalaces.org also setup with my gmail, and when I send messages
> > with the ipalaces.org domain under gmails servers the messages all go
> > through fine.
>
> That's interesting, since your SPF record could be interpreted to mean
> that mail that does not come from your host should be considered
> suspicious. *
>
> > Insted of fighting with the spam protection of the
> > microsoft and such, id rather just setup my sendmail program to use
> > the GMAIL servers to send my outgoing emails. I've read numerous
> > tutorials and did step by step things (http://www.linuxha.com/other/
> > sendmail/gmail.html) but I can never seem to get it to work.
>
> What is the failure mode? What is logged?
>
> I have not completely picked apart the instructions on that page, but
> from a quick skim it looks like they cover what you need to have set up
> to use GMail as a smarthost. If you've followed them, you are probably
> pretty close to working.
>
> > Any suggestions or a step by step tutorial for debian?
>
> If you want to explicitly route all of your mail through any system you
> do not control, the best place to start for help is the people running
> that system, i.e. Google. They may not want to be providing "smarthost"
> services to anyone with a simple GMail account, and may work to thwart
> such use. A quick peek at their documentation shows that they are happy
> to provide such a service to their paying customers, but maybe not for
> their millions of GMail users. I don't know that they do anything to
> interfere with free account users routing whole domains of mail through
> them, but they certainly *could* do so. Keep in mind that if you are a
> paying Google customer, you have a right to ask them for help, but also
> that if you are just a random free GMail user, anything you *can* do
> with their free services that has real value is likely to be thwarted in
> the future. If, as with smarthosting, it is a valuable service that they
> don't even talk about as a service for non-paying users, you can expect
> them to make it break in random ways without warning.
>
> Your other option of slogging through the MS/Yahoo/AOL deliverability
> swamp is not really as bad as it looks, and is likely to be more
> reliable. That assumes that you are not sending spam.
>
> --
> Now where did I hide that website...



OK, well I'd rather fix the problems with hotmail and yahoo counting
me as spam.
Here are my full headers to them:

Gmail: http://pastebin.com/f3fb78ab5
Hotmail/Live: http://pastebin.com/ff447dd
Yahoo: http://pastebin.com/f503692bd