Smalltalk-80 text editor reference

What is the best reference for how text editing works in a
Smalltalk-80 environment?

plus852@gmail.com wrote:
> What is the best reference for how text editing works in a
> Smalltalk-80 environment?

That differs per vendor, even per version.

Which Smalltalk and version are you talking about?


R
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The original Xerox Smalltalk 80.

On Aug 18, 6:04*am, Reinout Heeck <rein...@soops.nl> wrote:
> plus...@gmail.com wrote:
> > What is the best reference for how text editing works in a
> > Smalltalk-80 environment?
>
> That differs per vendor, even per version.
>
> Which Smalltalk and version are you talking about?
>
> R
> -

plus852@gmail.com wrote:
> The original Xerox Smalltalk 80.

:-)

I don't know about documentation references, I'm sure others here can
help with that.

If you can get your hands on a Xerox Smalltalk80-V2 image you can run it
and use the code browser in it to check out the editing capabilities.
Assuming things didn't change much in 30 years (a big if) you will want
to explore the class ParagraphEditor.


You can run Smalltalk80 images on VisualWorks or Squeak by making use of
the Hobbes virtualizer, see for example:
http://wwwlehre.ba-stuttgart.de/~hel...bes/readme.txt
and the source files in that same directory.



R
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>
> On Aug 18, 6:04 am, Reinout Heeck <rein...@soops.nl> wrote:
>> plus...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> What is the best reference for how text editing works in a
>>> Smalltalk-80 environment?
>> That differs per vendor, even per version.
>>
>> Which Smalltalk and version are you talking about?
>>
>> R
>> -

Do you know of a location to download the Smalltalk-80 v2 image? Some
googling hasn't yet turned up anything.

On Aug 19, 6:31*am, Reinout Heeck <rein...@soops.nl> wrote:
> plus...@gmail.com wrote:
> > The original Xerox Smalltalk 80.
>
> :-)
>
> I don't know about documentation references, I'm sure others here can
> help with that.
>
> If you can get your hands on a Xerox Smalltalk80-V2 image you can run it
> and use the code browser in it to check out the editing capabilities.
> Assuming things didn't change much in 30 years (a big if) you will want
> to explore the class ParagraphEditor.
>
> You can run Smalltalk80 images on VisualWorks or Squeak by making use of
> the Hobbes virtualizer, see for example:
> * *http://wwwlehre.ba-stuttgart.de/~hel...bes/readme.txt
> and the source files in that same directory.
>
> R
> -
>
>
>
> > On Aug 18, 6:04 am, Reinout Heeck <rein...@soops.nl> wrote:
> >> plus...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> What is the best reference for how text editing works in a
> >>> Smalltalk-80 environment?
> >> That differs per vendor, even per version.
>
> >> Which Smalltalk and version are you talking about?
>
> >> R
> >> -

brian.vito@gmail.com wrote:
> Do you know of a location to download the Smalltalk-80 v2 image? Some
> googling hasn't yet turned up anything.

The truth is I don't know, but if you allow me to bluff a bit:


My understanding is that there was an original Smalltalk 80 image (V1)
that has two descendants: V2 which later became VisualWorks and Apple
Smalltalk which evolved into Squeak.

Smalltalk 80 (v1 and v2) are not publicly available, you might have more
luck finding an original Apple Smalltalk image.


R
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If you get the oldest image on ftp.squeak.org and you'll be quite
close to Apple Smalltalk.

I think Smalltalk-80, the Interactive Programming Environment, would
also talk about, but I'm not sure. You can get this from
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/FreeBooks.html

cheers

bruce
Reinout Heeck <reinout@soops.nl> writes:

> brian.vito@gmail.com wrote:
> > Do you know of a location to download the Smalltalk-80 v2 image? Some
> > googling hasn't yet turned up anything.
>
> The truth is I don't know, but if you allow me to bluff a bit:
>
>
> My understanding is that there was an original Smalltalk 80 image (V1)
> that has two descendants: V2 which later became VisualWorks and Apple
> Smalltalk which evolved into Squeak.
>
>
> Smalltalk 80 (v1 and v2) are not publicly available, you might have
> more luck finding an original Apple Smalltalk image.
>
>
>
> R
> -

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brian.vito@gmail.com wrote:
> Do you know of a location to download the Smalltalk-80 v2 image? Some
> googling hasn't yet turned up anything.

Some of us have the original v2 image as we got the original tape back
in 1983. The system is Copyright (c) 1983 Xerox Corp. All rights
reserved. If you wanted to ask permission of Xerox to make available
the original image and sources, e.g. for study purposes, who would you ask?

>
> On Aug 19, 6:31 am, Reinout Heeck <rein...@soops.nl> wrote:
>> plus...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> The original Xerox Smalltalk 80.
>> :-)
>>
>> I don't know about documentation references, I'm sure others here can
>> help with that.
>>
>> If you can get your hands on a Xerox Smalltalk80-V2 image you can run it
>> and use the code browser in it to check out the editing capabilities.
>> Assuming things didn't change much in 30 years (a big if) you will want
>> to explore the class ParagraphEditor.
>>
>> You can run Smalltalk80 images on VisualWorks or Squeak by making use of
>> the Hobbes virtualizer, see for example:
>> http://wwwlehre.ba-stuttgart.de/~hel...bes/readme.txt
>> and the source files in that same directory.
>>
>> R
>> -
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 18, 6:04 am, Reinout Heeck <rein...@soops.nl> wrote:
>>>> plus...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> What is the best reference for how text editing works in a
>>>>> Smalltalk-80 environment?
>>>> That differs per vendor, even per version.
>>>> Which Smalltalk and version are you talking about?
>>>> R
>>>> -


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>>>>> "plus852" == plus852 <plus852@gmail.com> writes:

plus852> What is the best reference for how text editing works in a
plus852> Smalltalk-80 environment?

Now that you've gone down one sorta-dead-end, can we reexamine the question?

Why are you specifically interested in the "Smalltalk-80 environment",
instead of any of the dozen modern smalltalks?

In particular, look at Squeak (www.squeak.org), which owes its heritage to the
original Smalltalk-80, and is readily available under a liberal license.

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I am interested in the history of the text editor Sam, which features
a mouse language derived in part from the original Xerox Smalltalk-80
environment, thus I am looking for more information on that
environment (rather than any of the dozen modern smalltalks).


On Aug 21, 9:16*am, mer...@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote:
> >>>>> "plus852" == plus852 *<plus...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> plus852> What is the best reference for how text editing works in a
> plus852> Smalltalk-80 environment?
>
> Now that you've gone down one sorta-dead-end, can we reexamine the question?
>
> Why are you specifically interested in the "Smalltalk-80 environment",
> instead of any of the dozen modern smalltalks?
>
> In particular, look at Squeak (www.squeak.org), which owes its heritage to the
> original Smalltalk-80, and is readily available under a liberal license.
>
> --
> Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
> <mer...@stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
> Seehttp://methodsandmessages.vox.com/for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion