Esug 2008 Dolphin Tidbits

I have just come back from Esug 2008 (unforunately I had to leave early)

I thought you guys might be interested in Dolphin related tidbits (I know that James Robertson has been good at giving the global news on his blog).

I was very astounded to see quite a few Dolphin entries in the coding competition - and there was some great stuff (from the Expert Care program which was mentioned on here, to a nifty Drag and Drop Query by Example Seaside App, A personal information saver and I recall there were a few more. I think that dolphin represented a good slice of the entries (possibly a quarter).

I also noted that Eliot Miranda in his talk abot COG (the new VM for Squeak) referenced the Dolphin VM as being one of the best interpreters in the world. He went on to say the Squeak is currently 5x slower than Dolphin and his aim was to match Dolphin (witht he Squeak interpreter - but also exceed it with a full jited compiler as well). I thought that was a nice hat tip to Blair and Andy's work.

Talking with Dave Simmons (S# fame) - he was impressed with the small executable sizes Dolphin generates (he feels that this might be an important technical criteria in the futre if web composition of applications becomes the new OS war field). He also noted that the Dolphin story could be even better - it seems that we have to include 2 MS DLL's with our .exe files (you notice this on Vista as one of them is not included by default) - however there is away to eliminate one of them.

Finally the Seaside guys still continue to mention the Dolphin port in their talks - however they are pleading to all vendors to support Monticello2 - so that its easier to share code amongst all dialects and ensure bug fixes propogate easily. I know we have David's STS - however maybe we should look at porting MC2 (its supposed to be much improved code wise for porting).

Overall it was a good conference - there was lots of buzz - it would be good to see Dolphin to continue to remain on the radar (it still definitely has the best UI in town).

Tim
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macta wrote:
> however they are pleading to all vendors to support Monticello2 - so that its easier to share code amongst all dialects and ensure bug fixes propogate easily. I know we have David's STS - however maybe we should look at porting MC2 (its supposed to be much improved code wise for porting).
>

Actually, STS already supports importing of Monticello files (.mcz) into
STS repository. I guess one would have to implement a possibility to
export code back to Monticello repository.

David

On 28 ago, 17:30, macta <usenet.web.ma...@spamgourmet.com> wrote:
> I have just come back from Esug 2008 (unforunately I had to leave early)
>
> I thought you guys might be interested in Dolphin related tidbits (I know that James Robertson has been good at giving the global news on his blog).
>
> I was very astounded to see quite a few Dolphin entries in the coding competition - and there was some great stuff (from the Expert Care program which was mentioned on here, to a nifty Drag and Drop Query by Example Seaside App, A personal information saver and I recall there were a few more. I think that dolphin represented a good slice of the entries (possibly a quarter).
>
> I also noted that Eliot Miranda in his talk abot COG (the new VM for Squeak) referenced the Dolphin VM as being one of the best interpreters in the world. He went on to say the Squeak is currently 5x slower than Dolphin and his aim was to match Dolphin (witht he Squeak interpreter - but also exceed it with a full jited compiler as well). I thought that was a nice hat tip to Blair and Andy's work.
>
> Talking with Dave Simmons (S# fame) - he was impressed with the small executable sizes Dolphin generates (he feels that this might be an important technical criteria in the futre if web composition of applications becomes the new OS war field). He also noted that the Dolphin story could be even better - it seems that we have to include 2 MS DLL's with our .exe files (you notice this on Vista as one of them is not included by default) - however there is away to eliminate one of them.
>
> Finally the Seaside guys still continue to mention the Dolphin port in their talks - however they are pleading to all vendors to support Monticello2 - so that its easier to share code amongst all dialects and ensure bug fixes propogate easily. I know we have David's STS - however maybe we should look at porting MC2 (its supposed to be much improved code wise for porting).
>
> Overall it was a good conference - there was lots of buzz - it would be good to see Dolphin to continue to remain on the radar (it still definitely has the best UI in town).
>
> Tim
> --
> I'm trying a new usenet client for Mac, Nemo OS X.
> You can download it athttp://www.malcom-mac.com/nemo

Thanks for sharing sharing Tim
Sebastian