Freeware windows digital photo editors (did we miss any)?

hummingbird wrote:

>(free) Digital Enhancer:
>http://www.mediachance.com/dce/index.html

The free version is hopelessly crippled.

Susan Bugher wrote:

> If you have to buy something to be entitled to a "free" program it's still
> free . (Software that's included in a camera
> purchase is free - it's part of the package you buy.)

On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:15:09 -0400, Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> wrote:
: Wlm Singleton wrote:
: > On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:00:16 -0400, Robert Coe wrote:
:
: >>Does the software included with a camera purchase count as freeware?
:
: > Good question. I'd say no as that software isn't easily downloadable (I
: > would think) so let's restrict it to free software that can be downloaded.
:
: If you have to BUY something to be *entitled* to a "free" program it's
: neither free nor Freeware. (Software that's included in a camera
: PURCHASE is not free - it's part of the package you BUY.)

Fair enough. But what is the purpose of the list? If it's to assist the reader
in selecting among the many available "free" programs, shouldn't it include
those that were "free" to him, even though they may not have been available to
everyone? The CDs provided by major manufacturers (Nikon, Canon, et al) to
those who buy their cameras get very wide circulation, and some of the
programs included are very good (while some, of course, are junk). I'd expect
many users to find it helpful to know how those programs stack up against
those that can be downloaded free from the Web.

OTOH, if constructing the list is seen merely as an intellectual exercise
unrelated to its value to others, then those who compile it should feel free
to impose whatever criteria they please for what gets included and what
doesn't. But then, why bother?

Bob

Robert Coe wrote:

> But what is the purpose of the list?

Because they are control freaks.

>If it's to assist the reader
> in selecting among the many available "free" programs, shouldn't it include
> those that were "free" to him, even though they may not have been available to
> everyone?

Exactly.


> OTOH, if constructing the list is seen merely as an intellectual exercise
> unrelated to its value to others, then those who compile it should feel free
> to impose whatever criteria they please for what gets included and what
> doesn't. But then, why bother?

Exactly.

Robert Coe wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:15:09 -0400, Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> wrote:
> : Wlm Singleton wrote:
> : > On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:00:16 -0400, Robert Coe wrote:
> :
> : >>Does the software included with a camera purchase count as freeware?
> :
> : > Good question. I'd say no as that software isn't easily downloadable (I
> : > would think) so let's restrict it to free software that can be downloaded.
> :
> : If you have to BUY something to be *entitled* to a "free" program it's
> : neither free nor Freeware. (Software that's included in a camera
> : PURCHASE is not free - it's part of the package you BUY.)
>
> Fair enough. But what is the purpose of the list?

??? I *think* you're asking about the list that's being compiled in this
thread by Wlm Singleton. My answer is "dunno". Please advise if I
misinterpreted the question.

Susan
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Robert Coe wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:15:09 -0400, Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> wrote:
> : Wlm Singleton wrote:
> : > On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:00:16 -0400, Robert Coe wrote:
> :
> : >>Does the software included with a camera purchase count as freeware?
> :
> : > Good question. I'd say no as that software isn't easily downloadable (I
> : > would think) so let's restrict it to free software that can be downloaded.
> :
> : If you have to BUY something to be *entitled* to a "free" program it's
> : neither free nor Freeware. (Software that's included in a camera
> : PURCHASE is not free - it's part of the package you BUY.)
>
> Fair enough. But what is the purpose of the list? If it's to assist the reader
> in selecting among the many available "free" programs, shouldn't it include
> those that were "free" to him, even though they may not have been available to
> everyone?

For the alt.comp.freeware definition of freeware, no. ACF has been
cobbling together listings on programs which *accessed* and used for
free. This does not apply to what happens to be bundled with your
latest purchase. You may want to take a look at ACF's FAQ for further
details <http://users.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html>.

In a perfect world, we'd have all proggies listed & catagorized to all
specifications suggested. That's a tall order and beyond the scope of
what we do. But then, you should feel free to start up a list based on
your own criteria.

> OTOH, if constructing the list is seen merely as an intellectual exercise
> unrelated to its value to others...

Robert, either that was your ignorance speaking when you wrote that or
you're baiting. Did I miss a 3rd option?

<shrug>

-Craig

On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:35:40 -0400, Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> wrote:
: Robert Coe wrote:
: > On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:15:09 -0400, Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> wrote:
: > : Wlm Singleton wrote:
: > : > On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:00:16 -0400, Robert Coe wrote:
: > :
: > : >>Does the software included with a camera purchase count as freeware?
: > :
: > : > Good question. I'd say no as that software isn't easily downloadable (I
: > : > would think) so let's restrict it to free software that can be downloaded.
: > :
: > : If you have to BUY something to be *entitled* to a "free" program it's
: > : neither free nor Freeware. (Software that's included in a camera
: > : PURCHASE is not free - it's part of the package you BUY.)
: >
: > Fair enough. But what is the purpose of the list?
:
: ??? I *think* you're asking about the list that's being compiled in this
: thread by Wlm Singleton. My answer is "dunno". Please advise if I
: misinterpreted the question.

I guess I'm as confused as you are. If you don't know the purpose of the list,
how can you undertake to render a definitive answer as to what should and
shouldn't be included (as you appeared to do in your previous post)?

Bob

On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 12:43:30 -0700, Craig <netburgher@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:
: Robert Coe wrote:
: > On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:15:09 -0400, Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> wrote:
: > : Wlm Singleton wrote:
: > : > On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:00:16 -0400, Robert Coe wrote:
: > :
: > : >>Does the software included with a camera purchase count as freeware?
: > :
: > : > Good question. I'd say no as that software isn't easily downloadable (I
: > : > would think) so let's restrict it to free software that can be downloaded.
: > :
: > : If you have to BUY something to be *entitled* to a "free" program it's
: > : neither free nor Freeware. (Software that's included in a camera
: > : PURCHASE is not free - it's part of the package you BUY.)
: >
: > Fair enough. But what is the purpose of the list? If it's to assist the reader
: > in selecting among the many available "free" programs, shouldn't it include
: > those that were "free" to him, even though they may not have been available to
: > everyone?
:
: For the alt.comp.freeware definition of freeware, no. ACF has been
: cobbling together listings on programs which *accessed* and used for
: free. This does not apply to what happens to be bundled with your
: latest purchase. You may want to take a look at ACF's FAQ for further
: details <http://users.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html>.
:
: In a perfect world, we'd have all proggies listed & catagorized to all
: specifications suggested. That's a tall order and beyond the scope of
: what we do. But then, you should feel free to start up a list based on
: your own criteria.
:
: > OTOH, if constructing the list is seen merely as an intellectual exercise
: > unrelated to its value to others...
:
: Robert, either that was your ignorance speaking when you wrote that or
: you're baiting. Did I miss a 3rd option?
:
: <shrug>

It was indeed my ignorance speaking. Susan's answer to my previous question
had struck me as inconsistent with any serious purpose that the list was
likely to serve. But that ignorance has been corrected by the clarification
that you regard constructing the list as its own reward and that making it
useful is beyond the scope of what you do. I'll bow out now, as I have better
things to do with my time. Please excuse the intrusion.

Bob

Robert Coe wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:35:40 -0400, Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> wrote:
> : Robert Coe wrote:
> : > On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:15:09 -0400, Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> wrote:

> : > : If you have to BUY something to be *entitled* to a "free" program it's
> : > : neither free nor Freeware. (Software that's included in a camera
> : > : PURCHASE is not free - it's part of the package you BUY.)
> : >
> : > Fair enough. But what is the purpose of the list?
> :
> : ??? I *think* you're asking about the list that's being compiled in this
> : thread by Wlm Singleton. My answer is "dunno". Please advise if I
> : misinterpreted the question.
>
> I guess I'm as confused as you are. If you don't know the purpose of the list,
> how can you undertake to render a definitive answer as to what should and
> shouldn't be included (as you appeared to do in your previous post)?

You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. I answered a question
about Freeware: "Does the software included with a camera purchase count
as freeware?"

I'm still unenlightened as to the meaning of your question - the one
about "the list".

EOT for me

Susan
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On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:22:59 -0400, Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> wrote:
: Robert Coe wrote:
: > On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:35:40 -0400, Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> wrote:
: > : Robert Coe wrote:
: > : > On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:15:09 -0400, Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> wrote:
:
: > : > : If you have to BUY something to be *entitled* to a "free" program it's
: > : > : neither free nor Freeware. (Software that's included in a camera
: > : > : PURCHASE is not free - it's part of the package you BUY.)
: > : >
: > : > Fair enough. But what is the purpose of the list?
: > :
: > : ??? I *think* you're asking about the list that's being compiled in this
: > : thread by Wlm Singleton. My answer is "dunno". Please advise if I
: > : misinterpreted the question.
: >
: > I guess I'm as confused as you are. If you don't know the purpose of the list,
: > how can you undertake to render a definitive answer as to what should and
: > shouldn't be included (as you appeared to do in your previous post)?
:
: You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. I answered a question
: about Freeware: "Does the software included with a camera purchase count
: as freeware?"
:
: I'm still unenlightened as to the meaning of your question - the one
: about "the list".
:
: EOT for me

I meant the list referred to in the subject of this thread.

Bob