Lattice's Online Store Now Sells Silicon - No Minimum Order Quantity - vhdl

bart schrieb:
> Lattice's online store now offers silicon devices. The store can be
> accessed at http://www.latticesemi.com/store
>
> The silicon store is powered by one of our distribution partners,
> Mouser Electronics. The online store is particularly helpful for
> customers looking for programmable logic devices that are readily
> available and do not require a minimum order quantity. Customers also
> can use a credit card, which makes the purchase process both quick and
> convenient.
>
> The store's shelves offer programmable logic devices, including
> selected 90nm FPGAs, as well as its ispLEVER software design tool
> suite, a wide variety of FPGA and CPLD development boards, and
> download cables. Shipping is available worldwide, frequently on the
> same day the order is received.
>
> ~Bart Borosky, Lattice

gosh,

this online store is just doing database query into mouser !

so there is no such thing as "lattice online store", it just means
that lattice is not selling anything (same as Xilinx) but instead
redirects to mouser

and whats even worse - there are NO XP2 devices, not in stock, not
orderable. And NO XP2 development boards etiher.

when lattice web says (for development kits) contact lattice sales,
then this usually measn "NOT AVAILABLE for purchasing.."

Antti
who has been waiting for XP2 since August 2006, and is still waiting...

Antti wrote:
> when lattice web says (for development kits) contact lattice sales,
> then this usually measn "NOT AVAILABLE for purchasing.."
Contact them anyway At least MSC told us that there are in fact
XP2-parts available right now as engineering samples. Unfortunately not
the tiny 8x8mm csBGA-package that would be the most interesting at the
moment...

Maybe Mouser doesn't stock engineering samples, and that's why they
don't have XP2 parts available.

cu,
Sean

--
My email address is only valid until the end of the month.
Try figuring out what the address is going to be after that...

Sean Durkin schrieb:
> Antti wrote:
> > when lattice web says (for development kits) contact lattice sales,
> > then this usually measn "NOT AVAILABLE for purchasing.."
> Contact them anyway At least MSC told us that there are in fact
> XP2-parts available right now as engineering samples. Unfortunately not
> the tiny 8x8mm csBGA-package that would be the most interesting at the
> moment...
>
> Maybe Mouser doesn't stock engineering samples, and that's why they
> don't have XP2 parts available.
>
> cu,
> Sean
>
ok, thanks,

yes I am sure silicon samples are available, I was more refereffing to
those
lattice evaluation kits that are "contact lattice" those are usually
not for sale,
but only to lease.. this is STUPID STUPID... i have tried to purchase
some
lattice boards, only to get offer to lease the board.

Antti

Antti wrote:
>
> yes I am sure silicon samples are available, I was more refereffing to
> those
> lattice evaluation kits that are "contact lattice" those are usually
> not for sale,
> but only to lease.. this is STUPID STUPID... i have tried to purchase
> some
> lattice boards, only to get offer to lease the board.

Maybe that's driven by some 3rd party SW license issue - seems a silly
idea for hardware, and it has to cost them more to admin that, than a
straight sale ?

-jg

Jim Granville schrieb:
> Antti wrote:
> >
> > yes I am sure silicon samples are available, I was more refereffing to
> > those
> > lattice evaluation kits that are "contact lattice" those are usually
> > not for sale,
> > but only to lease.. this is STUPID STUPID... i have tried to purchase
> > some
> > lattice boards, only to get offer to lease the board.
>
> Maybe that's driven by some 3rd party SW license issue - seems a silly
> idea for hardware, and it has to cost them more to admin that, than a
> straight sale ?
>
> -jg
nono

I think they only get very little yield on first batch of silicon so
they only make maybe 20 boards
- so those are not for sale only to lease...

Antti

On Jun 8, 11:31 am, Antti <Antti.Luk...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> gosh,
>
> this online store is just doing database query into mouser !
>
> so there is no such thing as "latticeonline store", it just means
> thatlatticeis not selling anything (same as Xilinx) but instead
> redirects to mouser

Antti, the major operational difference between the Xilinx and Lattice
store is that there is NO MINIMUM ORDER QUANTITY on the Lattice site.
You do not have to buy a full tube, tray, or a $XXX order minimum. On
the Lattice store, you can purchase one part if you want to.
Mouser is specialized in a very high service level for small order
quantities, and can even ship orders the same day if they have stock
of the product!
As for the LatticeXP2 not being available on the online store, the
device is currently in engineering sample mode. Thus, if you want to
get parts, you have to work with our sales team or FAEs. When the
device moves to the next phase, it will be available on Lattice store.
~bart

On 12 Jun., 18:24, bart <bart.boro...@latticesemi.com> wrote:
> On Jun 8, 11:31 am, Antti <Antti.Luk...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > gosh,
>
> > this online store is just doing database query into mouser !
>
> > so there is no such thing as "latticeonline store", it just means
> > thatlatticeis not selling anything (same as Xilinx) but instead
> > redirects to mouser
>
> Antti, the major operational difference between the Xilinx and Lattice
> store is that there is NO MINIMUM ORDER QUANTITY on the Lattice site.
> You do not have to buy a full tube, tray, or a $XXX order minimum. On
> the Lattice store, you can purchase one part if you want to.
> Mouser is specialized in a very high service level for small order
> quantities, and can even ship orders the same day if they have stock
> of the product!
> As for the LatticeXP2 not being available on the online store, the
> device is currently in engineering sample mode. Thus, if you want to
> get parts, you have to work with our sales team or FAEs. When the
> device moves to the next phase, it will be available on Lattice store.
> ~bart

bart

Xilinx does use digikey, so they also have NO MINIMUM order.

I see no difference here, BOTH ARE BAD in that sense that the latest
and greatest silicon is NOT AVAILABLE.

not from Xilinx online, not from Lattice online.

Lattice could do an example here, and OFFER IMMEDIATE 1 OFF XP2
example ONLINE orders

I bet most people would instanlty order.

just 1 per customer, GIFT PACKAGED XP2 sample. One click order, no
questions, just PAY and get it.

but eh, one can always dream... I do

well, while dreaming that Xilinx/Lattice would improve their online
store to include ES silicon, guess what I am designed in? Actel PA3,
gee the QFN132 package is real nice one, glad to see XP2 includes this
package as well. To Lattice, I would have preferred XP over PA3, but
there was no tiny package available. Xilinx, same words: S3AN in
QFN132 would win many designs over MAX2,machXO,PA3,XP2... but S3AN
only has big ugly packages

Antti

On Jun 12, 10:52 am, Antti <Antti.Luk...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Xilinx does use digikey, so they also have NO MINIMUM order.
>
> I see no difference here, BOTH ARE BAD in that sense that the latest
> and greatest silicon is NOT AVAILABLE.
>
> not from Xilinx online, not fromLatticeonline.
>
> Latticecould do an example here, and OFFER IMMEDIATE 1 OFF XP2
> example ONLINE orders
>
> I bet most people would instanlty order.
>
> just 1 per customer, GIFT PACKAGED XP2 sample. One click order, no
> questions, just PAY and get it.

Antti,
Mouser has been a Lattice distributor for quite some time. However,
now they are fulfilling our online store. This is new for Lattice. In
theory, it should make it easier for people to order small quantities
of Lattice devices right off the Lattice website, without having to go
to another website.
In contrast, all I see on the Xilinx website is purchase through Avnet
and NuHorizons, which my understanding, requires a minimum order. Of
course you could go off on your own to the Digikey website. Then find
the right part, etc...
We are trying to make the process easier and more straightforward,
that's all.

As for getting gift packaged samples of the LatticeXP2... I don't
think Lattice will offer any gift packaging to the general public.
However, once the LatticeXP2 product is in the next phase and we begin
to offer the parts through normal distribution channels, the
LatticeXP2 devices will be available on the online store. If you need
them now, please contact a Lattice sales person. Maybe ask a
salesperson nicely, and they will put a gift wrap on it for you?

~bart

On Jun 12, 1:52 pm, Antti <Antti.Luk...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Xilinx does use digikey, so they also have NO MINIMUM order.
>
> I see no difference here, BOTH ARE BAD in that sense that the latest
> and greatest silicon is NOT AVAILABLE.
>
> not from Xilinx online, not from Lattice online.
>
> Lattice could do an example here, and OFFER IMMEDIATE 1 OFF XP2
> example ONLINE orders
>
> I bet most people would instanlty order.
>
> just 1 per customer, GIFT PACKAGED XP2 sample. One click order, no
> questions, just PAY and get it.
>
> but eh, one can always dream... I do
>
> well, while dreaming that Xilinx/Lattice would improve their online
> store to include ES silicon, guess what I am designed in? Actel PA3,
> gee the QFN132 package is real nice one, glad to see XP2 includes this
> package as well. To Lattice, I would have preferred XP over PA3, but
> there was no tiny package available. Xilinx, same words: S3AN in
> QFN132 would win many designs over MAX2,machXO,PA3,XP2... but S3AN
> only has big ugly packages

The reason that engineering samples are not available through online
ordering is because this is a critical phase for a manufacturer and
they want two things; one is to know who the customers are so they can
learn as much as possible about the customer and application
(including the sales potential, which is crucial and gets reported up
the food chain) and to be able to provide support, sometimes in a
proactive way. With new parts, FPGA makers prefer to give out early
engineering samples to the companies with larger potential and more
experience. The support a company can offer has a finite limit, so
they want to make sure their biggest customers are successful first,
then they can go after the smaller buyers.

You have to consider the vendor's position and give them a little
slack on early sampling. If they don't meet their goals in this early
stage, it can doom a product that may never catch up!